Victoria Petrovsky: 0:00

Welcome to the startup of human potential, where your co-hosts.

Clifton Smith: 0:04

I'm Clifton.

Victoria Petrovsky: 0:05

And I'm Victoria.

Clifton Smith: 0:06

And together we are Faces of the Future. Faces of the Future is a startup studio with a personal development platform at the intersection of consciousness, connection, innovation and well-being. We're so excited to have you join in on today's show.

Victoria Petrovsky: 0:23

So today we are joined by our incredible guest, Stephan Oesterreicher, from Germany. He is the founder of my Palm Leaf, a brand of the Conscious Innovation Lab, and together with his team of 25 people in 10 countries, they help people all over the world find and read their palm leaf prophecy in India. So these are prophecies that were written thousands of years ago and they contain the life stories of individuals living in this world today. So Stephan has created a professional business offering around this and it serves a deep purpose and is fully in alignment with his path, both individually and collectively, and this is a powerful instrument and tool and permission slip that can serve the awakening of humanity and the co-creation of a new world. So excited to have you on our show today, Stephan. Welcome.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 1:15

Thank you, Victoria, Thank you Clifton, for this lovely introduction.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:20

So it's been a little while since we've caught up with you, Stefan. I think the last time we were talking we was like 2020 or something, so since then you've grown my palm leaf reading. I want to hear more about this incredible offering in this company that you've built.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 1:38

Yeah, still grateful for it every single day, and my life definitely changed a lot since we last spoke. I think the world changed a lot. There was a whole pandemic in between. Yeah, and the palm leaves were definitely a major step for me to turn my life from a deep crisis into a fulfilled purpose that I'm living every single day now.

Victoria Petrovsky: 2:03

Wow, how did you stumble upon my palm leaf readings? How did you stumble upon the idea of a palm leaf?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 2:11

So maybe I briefly explain what the palm leaves are for our listeners. Yeah, please. So a few thousand years ago in India, there was a group of sages. They were called the Rishis. According to the legend, they had many paranormal powers. They were not like us humans today, but they literally had lifespans of hundreds of years. They could fly through the air, basically according to the legend, and they could also perceive information across time. You could say they could look into the past, present and future, because for them, time is not linear like we experienced it yesterday, today and tomorrow, but for them, everything in time is happening at the same internal moment and, out of their great compassion for humanity, they could already see that us humans would go through deep crisis and the upcoming millennias which is obvious right now that we're in a deep crisis as humanity, and, out of their great compassion, they wrote down the life stories of a few million people onto this palm leaf, so they're like dried palm leaves they were used, like they put today.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 3:12

So they wrote down the life stories of a few million people and also guidance for these people how to live a better, more fulfilling life. And these prophecies are stored in the palm leaf libraries in India and you can actually travel there and search for your own palm leaf that has your name on it your date of birth, names of your parents to make sure this is really your palm leaf and then your future life story, with guidance, how you can transform major blockages, and with the highest potential of your life. So these are the palm leaves.

Victoria Petrovsky: 3:41

That is incredible. The first time I heard that back in 2019 or 2020, clifton and I were on the Vedic Sciences path studying all of that as well I was blown away and I was just being introduced to the concept of time being nonlinear. I was like but how do they know? How do they have these prophecies? That's incredible.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 4:00

Yes, it's so fascinating. But to experience it yourself and to hear your name, to hear the names of your parents written by someone a few years ago, before your parents are even born, they knew that at some point it would be a step on my parents, whatever these names, it's fascinating.

Victoria Petrovsky: 4:16

Is there an overlap with that astrology when you're going to be born, right what year and whatnot? So they look at the planetary configuration at that time.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 4:28

So astrology and the palm leaves are definitely related. Actually, both in the Vedic tradition are under the umbrella of Jyotish, the art of future telling. In India, the palm leaves are also sometimes described as Nadia astrology. What also makes them similar? That in the palm leaves has often a vocabulary used that's similar to astrology, and sometimes I perceive the palm leaves to be like an astrological reading. That was done, however, by an enlightened master, a few years ago.

Clifton Smith: 4:57

Oh, that's awesome. You would enlighten master to get your astrology reading. That's awesome.

Victoria Petrovsky: 5:01

Let me make a phone call to the past, to a previous enlightened ascended master, to get my astrology and my palm leaf reading for today. That's pretty wild.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 5:11

Literally like that.

Clifton Smith: 5:13

Wow, that's incredible. It was around the time that, through studying the Vedic sciences, that I opened up to Akashic readings and was able to pull things outside of time, and so the idea and concept was new to me. But then to understand that these rishis and there's this whole lineage of this and how they were able to just dedicate themselves to writing down the future, it's fascinating to me. Is there any particular people that they're writing it for? How did they come up with the million? Or just the legend talk about that at all?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 5:47

No, however, I often perceive it that the people who have a palm leaf, they definitely have some kind of like spiritual openness, a little bit advanced on their path, or at least they're aware of their spiritual path, because most people in this world they will never even hear about the palm leaves, only a few will hear about them and only a few will hear about them and then feel an impulse Wow, I should really look for my palm leaf. Usually these people who also have on written for them, because the palm leaves they literally call you in the perfect moment, also in the perfect place, to look for them. It's like divinely orchestrated when and where you will hear about the palm leaves and where you will go to search for them.

Victoria Petrovsky: 6:27

Wow. So when you say to search for them, where are they found? Are they like in secret libraries across the world? Is there like a centralized library or how does it work? Is it a secret?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 6:40

Totally decentralized chaos. It's totally chaos on the outside, but it's really divinely orchestrated. So it's originating from the south of India, from a state called Tamil Nadu, and from there it comes spread all around India but also in a few other Asian countries. They're like small palm leaf libraries and it's like no one knows when the first palm leaves were written, because the ones that exist today they are copies of the copies of the copies, because such a palm leaf keeps for a couple hundred years, but not for a few thousand years, so every couple of hundred years they were manually copied and then these copies also spread to the different libraries. And it's also there's a whole cast of palm leaf readers. That's a whole profession by itself. That's passed on, usually from father to son, father to son, but there's also a few women, but it's mainly men doing it, but it's like one big family that at some point millennia ago were given this divine task to preserve and share the palm leaves, who then have spread some all around South Asia.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 7:48

Wow, and coming back to your original question, so I spent a lot of time in India, but this is quite a while ago. It was more like in the beginning of my 20s. I spent a few years there. That's also when I heard about the palm leaves and I also visited a first palm leaf library. Back then. It was a very small library. They only had a few thousand leaves, so not many, and I didn't find my leaf at that point. But I always remember that experience because it felt so authentic and real. It was really touching and it always stayed with me, this experience. And then, many years later, actually in 2020, after my whole life, it just collapsed and I was very depressed. I felt like I had lost my path.

Clifton Smith: 8:28

I didn't see my path anymore.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 8:31

All of a sudden one morning I remembered oh, the palm leaves. I need to find my palm leaves. Now is the right time to look for my palm leaves, and I didn't know how, so I just googled. I was still half asleep. It was really after waking up, still lying in bed, and I found someone who was doing the same work like we today, helping people to find their palm leaves. I booked an appointment and that was the whole start of my journey with the palm leaves.

Victoria Petrovsky: 8:55

Wow, you found your palm leaf and your purpose.

Clifton Smith: 9:00

Definitely All in one, your palm leaves say this was your purpose.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 9:06

Actually, yes, it was very magical how I had the reading, because I had the reading of my own palm leaves online on Zoom. I remember while I was sitting in my car in front of a personal center and I went straight from that reading into 10 days of silent meditation, literally straight Like people from the center came knocking in the window you have to come now, we close the door. Okay, I finished. So it was literally from the readings into 10 days of meditation, and that was perfect Because in these 10 days it became very clear to me that I have a lot of connection with the palm leaves, that I'm supposed to work with them.

Victoria Petrovsky: 9:46

Wow, and when you say reading, is it somebody that's translating Sanskrit, or they written in Sanskrit, or what language?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 9:55

Some are written in Sanskrit. Most are written in the ancient Tamil language. It's a language from South India.

Victoria Petrovsky: 10:01

Okay.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 10:01

And they're written in this ancient Tamil and the palm leaf reader he reads the ancient Tamil that's written on the palm leaf. However, it's not written like a book today Like it's more like encrypted poetic information that's written on the palm leaf. So the palm leaf reader when he reads the palm leaf, he's also at the same time channeling the information. When he reads the palm leaf, a whole world opens up for him, like a whole matrix of a life story that he sees on the little piece of paper. So he sees much more than what is written there. However, there's still something written there, so it has an anchor in the physical reality.

Victoria Petrovsky: 10:42

Wow.

Clifton Smith: 10:44

That's amazing, you know. One of the things that I wanted to share is that this is through the Vedic sciences, right? Is that what this is connected to? And on more Christian, esoteric, Rosicrucian tradition, they have different levels of angelic beings and the archai are one of the beings that transcend time and they're able to see time in this very similar fashion. And so, for those who aren't necessarily aware, sort of like the Hindu tradition, there is a deep Christian tradition to indicate that these abilities are rooted in their societal construct. And that's one of the powers of bringing everyone together on this podcast is we can start to share this understanding, because it can be a little challenging perhaps to understand that way. You can have rishis who fly and live for hundreds of years and predict my future. That is definitely. There's certain levels of initiation that people can go through. When you talk about palm leaf readings, what kind of people have you been interacting with? What kind of people has it attract and bring into your world?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 11:57

All kinds of people, many very interesting people, many inspiring people. I have a lot of great conversations with our clients, some of us with a little bit like, let's say, ungrounded, but many are very grounded also and just live a normal life. Basically, it's literally people from all walks of life we had a few thousand people already that we have to find their palm leaf and from many different countries. So it's literally all kinds of experiences, a lot of beautiful and inspiring conversations.

Victoria Petrovsky: 12:26

And how has it changed their lives? Like do you hear feedback from them later, weeks or months later, about what's opened up for them since receiving this kind of reading?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 12:36

Yes, it's very different, Because for some people it's totally life changing. Of course, I like these kind of experiences. For some it's kind of medium and for some it doesn't do much, but for many people we get a lot of messages that it literally changed their whole life. And also for myself. It changed my whole life.

Victoria Petrovsky: 12:57

Yeah, I was wondering that actually, stefan. Like what did it affirm for you, like from your past, or when you, at the time when you sought out the reading, when you were like, wow, this is life changing. I'm curious what things were accurately prophesized.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 13:12

if you want to share anything from your experience, so, looking back, many things were very correct from what was prophesized, including that I would basically everything that I do now, but I would run kind of like a spiritual organization.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 13:28

It would be related to Vedic sciences, related to Jyotish, somehow related a little bit to astrology, related to Indian spirituality, that I would work with many countries Everything that I do now very precisely described. However, in my experience, the prophecies are not even that important. It's kind of the part that kind of hooks our mind and is like what, how can that be? And it makes us very interested. But what I found much more relevant is actually the subtle effects that this has on our life, because what happened for myself during and after the reading was not just that I got guidance about my life, but also that, step by step, I got more and more connected again with my inner guidance. It had a lot of inner effects happening on a subtle dimension that, in my opinion, much, much more relevant than the prediction, and I perceived the palm news to be a tool to help us clear karma a clearing karma also to live our full potential.

Victoria Petrovsky: 14:27

It sounds like an initiation based on what. I'm saying the subtle effects, like it's not even the information that's contained in there, but the energy or the frequency that you're tapping into when you're opening this portal about like your souls and life's work. And your human experience.

Clifton Smith: 14:45

And so cool, and it's one of those things that requires a certain level of pre-work. You don't just wake up one day and like, hey, you know what I want to have my future read by some palm leaves out in the middle of India by people hundreds or thousands of years ago. We liken it to people who are ready for receiving information from Bashar. I don't know if you're familiar with.

Clifton Smith: 15:06

Bashar, channeled by Darrell Anka. But in order to actually treat it with any level of respect or understanding, you have to be open to the idea of channeling, open to the idea of extraterrestrials, of future selves. That requires a little bit of preparation, and so can you share a bit, maybe, about your journey and your preparation to get to this point, because I feel like that's a really important area to understand and to be able to build a business around this. You have some level of groundedness that is necessary to manifest this in the physical and to make an actual business around it.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 15:43

Yes, and I'm happy to speak about it. But I also briefly want to mention that this preparation does not always need to happen on the outside. We also have many people come and search for their palm leaf where she don't have much kind of spiritual preparation. Many do but some don't, so it's not like it's absolutely necessary for the palm leaf reading. But looking back, I definitely had a lot of preparation for this work that I'm doing now.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 16:07

I'm 39 years old today, I think for a moment, and basically when I was 20, I finished school and a few weeks later I went on a one-way ticket to India. Once I arrived there, I decided to fully dedicate my life to exploring spirituality and learning more about the mystical traditions from all around the world, and I made this my life's mission and purpose, basically. So I don't have that background that many people have, that at some point they wake up from their normal life. I kind of never really had that normal life. I very early decided to fully dedicate myself to this work and then for many years just deeply dived into that, spent like hundreds and hundreds of days in asylum meditation, traveled all around the world to many different teachers, and definitely did not have the grounding that is needed to create the kind of organization that I'm running now. That's something I had to learn later on, so I was very ungrounded. I was deep into spirituality, but not much on this earth, so my journey was more to like coming back to earth.

Victoria Petrovsky: 17:12

Yeah.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 17:13

I'm really happy that this very much happened now. Now I feel like really have my feet on the ground and I'm still open to this kind of subtle dimensions of life.

Victoria Petrovsky: 17:23

at the same time, yeah, what you're describing is what Clifton and I call a quantumpreneur. So you went quantum pretty early. Yes, discovered both the world of spiritual, seeking one way ticket to India. And then you came back and had to establish thepreneur, the entrepreneur part, by getting your feet back onto the ground.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 17:44

Yes, and it was a long and often painful process, the landing but an important one. I find it so important today to be able to function in all of these dimensions of life.

Victoria Petrovsky: 17:56

So what was that process of grounding? What did it look like for you? You know, depending on how much of your life you established in the matrix, how much financial capability one has established or that they already have from their family, maybe that can influence how quickly people need to come back down to this dimension and to this earth. You know we all have our journeys and I'd love to hear anything you want to share about your step on.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 18:23

So much to say.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 18:24

Well, coming back to earth, it was very painful, it was very confusing and it was not easy, but I felt very strongly that I should do that, that I needed to learn how to be a human being, basically how to function in this world, and I had a few amazing teachers also, like I had the right frameworks to land and, even though I often was confused and didn't see my path anymore in this landing, actually everything was there to life, was fully helping me and supporting me in this grounding process.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 18:58

But also, looking back, I'm very, very grateful for my parents because they gave me a lot of basic trust in life. Like I always knew that I had somewhere to land if everything would fall apart, and that made me able to take a lot of risks. I had many risks and often things didn't work out and in 2020, when I had my palm infrading, I was totally depressed, like being in my old room that I had as a child in my parents' house, kind of figuring out what to do because my life had just collapsed for different reasons. But I'm very, very grateful for my parents to give me this basic stability in life, this basic trust. I had to come up with the courage, but still I knew I wouldn't starve to death and that's a big advantage we have in Western words, in Western countries in general.

Victoria Petrovsky: 19:52

I find Wow, it's great that you had that support system with your parents and family to take these risks. A lot of times we're scared to take risks because we don't know how it'll turn out, and the majority of people they prioritize safety, uncertainty and security. And us outliers whatever you want to call us quantum burnors we're kind of more like let's see what happens.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 20:18

Yes, I also want to clarify, though it's not like I come from a rich family, it's not like there was a lot of financial security, but there was the security of like I'm going to have a place to sleep and I'm going to have food to eat. And actually most people in Western countries, I think or at least more people than are aware of it that do have that, but we don't have often the mental freedom to understand that we can have much more courage than we are expressing in our daily life.

Clifton Smith: 20:50

You also, at 20, were able to be exposed to the Eastern world, to India, and to what those living conditions are like, and so I know a lot of times people in the Western world haven't had that opportunity to be exposed to what true scarcity looks like.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 21:06

That's a really important point. That was such an eye-opener. First, I went to India with like 20. I was never hungry in my life and I realized, wow, my life is so good. The majority of people in this world long for just having enough food.

Clifton Smith: 21:22

And when I understood that.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 21:23

I realized I don't need to focus my whole life on now building a career, making money, like I need to focus on the really important things in life, which are like our inner journey, like understanding who we truly are, like understanding that I'm going to die at some point. I need to make the most out of this life now. And that's when I decided to really fully dedicate myself to that path.

Victoria Petrovsky: 21:46

Yeah, as you're sharing this, stefan, what's coming up for me is like when I went to India. I also met people who didn't have much, but they had such freedom and wealth in the mind that you would never be able to tell based on how they're speaking about life, or their path or circumstances.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 22:05

Yes, and I think people who did not leave Western countries, they can't imagine that. They can't imagine what it means to be like a cripple, living in the street without legs and mining it. People with a face full of joy.

Victoria Petrovsky: 22:22

Yes.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 22:23

Unbelievable.

Victoria Petrovsky: 22:25

Bliss.

Clifton Smith: 22:26

Yes, yes, wow. So how are you taking all of your life experience and creating, not necessarily a legacy, but creating something to give back to the world, to help you find your inner purpose? Where is all this going and what's the conscious innovation lab all about? Is the umbrella right of my palm leaf reading?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 22:50

Yes, where to start? I need to start a bit early actually. So after really diving deeply into spiritual practice and usually silent meditation for a long period of times, at some point I realized now it's time to like, share and bring these experiences somehow into the world. And then I started to create different projects like meditation centers in Peru, like a spiritual travel company. I was serving also in different spiritual centers, helping to create other organizations, and I learned a lot by trial and error. Maybe a few words about my first project, a meditation center in Peru. I was so innocent, I just rented a big house and I was like okay, now this is a meditation center. Free food, free accommodation, free meditation classes God will provide somehow. It's going to pay for it.

Victoria Petrovsky: 23:40

It was an amazing model.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 23:46

It was an amazing time A house full of beautiful, heart-opened hippies and, of course, after a few months I couldn't pay the rent and the housing collapsed. And a lot of sadness, a lot of pain and the big learning I need to understand about business. I understood that there needs to be sustainability. I need to understand how to bridge money and spirituality.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 24:09

It's a very big topic, I think for many people, these are two totally different words and for me, it's becoming everyday kind of my mission how to bridge those two together. So, a few years later, many exciting and painful experiences. Later, in 2019, I created a company called the Conscious Innovation Lab, which had the purpose to explore how to download future technologies through meditation and other spiritual practices, and I made a couple of different experiments actually regarding that, and at some point also I had an online meditation room. That for many days it was during the COVID time actually, so people had time. For many days, we were meditating together online on Zulu, and it's actually out of that deep meditation that my palm leaf was born. While we were meditating on downloading the highest future potential into the now.

Clifton Smith: 25:04

Before going into that, that's a bit of a mouthful. How do you download future technologies? What can you help? Our listeners understand what that means and how you came up with that and how that's a thing.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 25:18

It's basically what's happening every single day. Whenever we have an idea, we're stepping into the future, like right now we're talking online on a video call. At some point, someone had the idea there must be a way to create something like that. Right now, we are the future technology of 1920. And in the same way, in this very moment 2023, the future technology of 2050 already exists.

Victoria Petrovsky: 25:48

Did they say the palm leaf readings who's going to create and download which future technology?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 25:54

Not in detail, but kind of yes.

Victoria Petrovsky: 25:58

I thought you were joking, victoria, I wanted to actually, but there's some truth behind it, because there's certain you know, like Nikola Tesla, right Certain technologies. Some people are here to steward them and in the work that Clifton and I do and as you know, stefan, because you've experienced firsthand that people even have guidance from the other side, like certain spirit guides that help steward a specific mission into this dimension, about some of these futuristic technologies Like you're talking about, like being online on an online streaming podcast platform that came to somebody out of left field, they call it or out of the quantum field. It's a frequency that somebody's brain taps into when there's a vibrational match and then, if they're the ones who are here to steward this mission, then more of it starts to flow through the more you connect with it. Is that kind of how you're what you're talking about as well, Exactly so.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 26:53

It's basically something that many of us are familiar with. We also experience it every single day, but I just decided to explore the whole process more consciously and to see can we consciously create that? That's my conscious awareness lab, and out of that my partner was born. That's how my partner is literally a child of the conscious innovation lab.

Victoria Petrovsky: 27:12

Amazing and that's like a quantum pernure room, because you're sitting there tapping into the quantum field and entrepreneurial ideas start flowing. So that's fully in alignment with the work that we do. And I want to share a quick story for our listeners and for you, steph. I don't know if you know, but Clifton and I were taking turns also stewarding that meditation room. Like I know, there was somebody who had to be present at all times to accept the space and in train, everybody who joins during, I think at the start of the pandemic or something like that, when the world was going through mayhem, and Clifton and I kept overlapping at the same times and at the time we actually were separated. We were reevaluating if we want to be in a relationship or not and synchronistically we kept coming in at the same time. I was like, okay, let's text, let's see what's going on, let's see what's happening.

Clifton Smith: 28:01

Yeah, that's a great memory. Yeah, I was here in LA, you were in Brooklyn. New York and we weren't talking and I just felt the pulse like, oh, you know, it'd be good, let's go into this room, let's get this feeling, let me, for whatever reason, you know, whether it was like an emotional reason or a business motivated reason, it didn't matter, yeah, I was like, oh, she's here. And then, of course, the heart kind of flutters like, oh my gosh, you know it's her. It's like a little magical quantification pulling each other together.

Victoria Petrovsky: 28:28

Yeah, and I was reevaluating a lot of stuff at the time too. I was in there for all kinds of emotional and spiritual processing, clarity, understanding, and during the pandemic Clifton moved to California and I stayed back in New York and I was evaluating do I want to move to California? Am I doing it for the right reasons? I want to make sure it feels fully in alignment with my path and who I am, not just because of a relationship, and this is all stuff I'm evaluating. And then, like he comes into the room, like oh my God, I can't escape it.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 29:01

Here we are now, and now we are in the future from back then.

Victoria Petrovsky: 29:06

Yes.

Clifton Smith: 29:08

I love your framing, and even like the iPhone. You know that's future technology of the past, and so if you just reframe it, then I guess your logical mind could say, hey, it's possible, let's give it a try. What have been some of the results, or what have people experienced in this experiment that you put on and are you still doing it? Are there future plans for it, or what? Or was it the thing that birthed my palm leaf? That's the thing that was the most potent thing you could create.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 29:38

Well, it definitely was what birthed my palm leaf, but interestingly we just started it again 10 days ago. So it's happening right now, but at the moment it's only for one hour a day. Then it was the idea was to really build it up to 24 hours a day, but actually since 10 days it's happening again.

Clifton Smith: 29:59

Wow.

Victoria Petrovsky: 30:01

That's so cool.

Clifton Smith: 30:02

Yeah, you know, when we've done the build out of the Quantum Plenur Academy, the experience that we've had with the quantum plenur academy, the experience that we've had with the conscious innovation lab, with that space, there's always a seed of that in how we expand, and so it's just fascinating to explore because sort of out of sight, out of mind, and then we're working like, oh, this is how we would scale it in this way and like, oh, that's what we did with you, and so there definitely seems to be a continuous draw and feeling of what you've planted and manifested. So we're so grateful for that. And even working in the Quantum for business, I remember that there was a time, I think, you held a room at a business or a meditation room and you had shared a bit about how the business goes through changes. Can you talk a bit about some of the changes and that specific thing, because we built on that and would love to add to that.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 30:56

So I did different experiment with different organizations and at some point I had opportunity at a company of a friend of mine in Austria like a printer marketing company of 120 people. He had a meditation room in that company. So we did an experiment that for I think 10 days, two weeks, me and a few other people were meditating in the room every day for a couple of hours, connecting with the field of that company and focusing on downloading kind of the highest future potential of that company and then observing what happens in the field.

Victoria Petrovsky: 31:25

Yes.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 31:26

And then just noticing the effects of that and it was a fun experiment, wow I had the impression that because I was so focused on seeing direct results that it kind of prevented it from happening. I guess, that was my experience. After, I think there needs to be a sense of detachment.

Victoria Petrovsky: 31:46

Yeah, just to share with you something and stuff on, and with our listeners too. What I'm hearing you say is like you're tapping into the morphic field of the entity or the business or the company. As you know, clifton channels and he started his path channeling deities and different archangels and so it's evolved to actually channeling business entities and we have a dialogue like where I ask questions, he gives answers and we connect with our own business entity of faces of the future, which is a culmination of Clifton's and my consciousness and our joint mission together of what we're birthing through faces of the future, and we connect with it pretty regularly like a standup meeting, like once a week or something like that, and it corpels us with guidance and the quality of answers we receive and the quality of the guidance has to do with the quality of the questions and the more I'm attached to it and the more my mind tries to think of rational questions and try to steward the thing, and then I get feedback like this isn't a board meeting, this is guidance. Go beyond your mind.

Clifton Smith: 32:57

It was this isn't a deposition, victoria, stop trying to get to an answer. And it's two of us, and so it's. How do you solve a tiebreaker, especially in all the hats we wear, living partners, relationship partners, business partners like, all right, let's channel, let's figure out the higher self? Morphic Field says yeah, what we've done is we've incorporated that into one of our offerings in the venture studio, which we call Quantum Business Alchemy. So we've actually been able to utilize and combine different tools such as family constellation, work mapping using certain bio geometry, centering pendulums, crystals you name it like the traditional fun things. We've been able to apply it to businesses and we're seeing incredible results.

Clifton Smith: 33:47

And actually, some of our clients have had negative energies influencing them on the business side that we're unbeknownst to us. And then all of a sudden, as I'm in that field, I feel it like I understand, when there's no energy, is trying to attach or attack that aren't benevolent, and I go Well, hold on. And I reach out to the client like, hey, I'm feeling this, what's going on? And it's at that point that they reveal some sort of non-aligned Manifestation thing that they're trying to do or there's a person from their past that had a spiritual or they're trying to accelerate a timeline and try to force their hand to make things happen quicker.

Victoria Petrovsky: 34:31

You know, manipulate with the ego and the mind and Just for our listeners. If we can just back up and talk about what a morphic field is of an entity and Clifton and I use the example of, let's say, google or Facebook Morphic field is just a collection of thought form entities. It's like a bubble, and the more energy and emotional energy you invest into a specific idea or concept Like a company like Google, oh I hate Google. They're spying on us. Or I love Google. They simplified my life. My technology is streamlined, whatever view people have on it. It sends mixed energy About the concept or the entity of Google and it eventually becomes like a life of its own. You know, originally the founder creates that entity in the beginning and then it takes on a life of its own as it starts to develop and build collective momentum and energy. So I just wanted it to presence and say that very good dimension.

Clifton Smith: 35:30

Yeah, and the connection is to something called the Igor Gore in esoteric Mysticism that this is about.

Clifton Smith: 35:37

It's also a man-made elemental in the Rosicrucian tradition and, just for yourself, it's like how do you know when you go to like I don't know McDonald's what to do or how to order? Imagine you were like an alien from another planet and you came to this physical location and you saw all these bright lights. So what do you do with it? But because there's been such a combination of thinking, like feeling and willing, your emotions, your thoughts and the Manifestation grounded in this dimension, you understand naturally and intuitively how to operate in that, and there's a subtle energy Quality that people can feel, that people can sense into and that you can actually communicate with, and so that's what this sort of births is Viewing businesses from a different lens, in a more conscious way, to be able to interact with it. And so I just wanted to share that. There's not a whole blossoming of information and Experiments. I guess you could say, right until we were able to repeat it yeah, which, which we're doing, but we've been experimenting with that concept that you seeded with us back in 2020.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 36:44

Yeah, yes. And this creation of a business entity, do you also?

Clifton Smith: 36:48

spoke.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 36:50

This is something, I think, that can be done much more conscious like, much more intentional also, which is also what happened for me with my palm leaf. So she had that point. I didn't know yet that my palm leaves would be the outcome, but I we kind of consciously created that core entity, put a lot of prayer, a lot of love, a lot of intention into, and then later on it blossomed into this my palm leaf organization.

Victoria Petrovsky: 37:16

Yeah, it's a seed and you water it and you water it daily with your conscious intention. So, whatever specific emotions you have towards it, whatever thoughts you have towards it, whatever kind of beliefs. So what we do also is like we help clear any types of blockages and businesses. If someone has a lot of Momentum, that's working against progress for the business. So if you think of a house clearing, if you think of like someone going to a house and clearing out any bad energies Like bringing them back to the light, feng shuiying or doing some energetic practices to move the energy of a house, we do that for businesses now. So, following your experiment a little bit and I'm curious to hear how more of yours go and we can share and compare notes, because I Love that we were reconnected right at this time.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 38:04

Yes, it seems like perfect timing for that.

Clifton Smith: 38:08

Absolutely, and what's come through with us the past few months is you have the thinking and the feeling, the love and the thought, and Then what? What came through really strongly these past few months is the a willing, the action, the solar plexus being able to ground it and birth it in this dimension. We've had a few people on who've talked about gut health and actually connecting to the solar plexus and how to clean up the microbiome and so connecting the more ethereal, spiritual to the physical and the biologic. What has been your experience in the evolution of the conscious innovation lab within your own physicality?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 38:47

With my own physicality? That's an interesting question. Well, probably live a lot healthy life at the moment. Well, I spent a lot of time in front of the computer, but somehow it feels healthy in the bigger picture because it rounded me much more in Earth reality and I'm learning more how to operate here, instead of just kind of being on the Level of consciousness. Now I'm more able to function in the material world. Yeah, but balancing all of that and also focusing and on the physical health at the same time is obviously we really want to end up at some point right now a bit more on the other side of the spectrum of being too much on the computer.

Victoria Petrovsky: 39:30

I hear you, yes, something, clifton, and I also found through this recent discoveries that a lot of spiritual practices, depending on what type of spiritual Practices somebody does, it develops their energetic aura or their energy field a certain way. So maybe the third eye gets very developed or the heart chakra gets very developed, depending on what type of practices there are. And Certain spiritual practices don't develop the will as much, which is like the doing in this dimension, especially those that are more non-dual, like going back to spirit, connecting back to spirit, that don't fully understand the purpose of a human experience. Yeah, there's a great teacher, dr Robert Gilbert, with the Vesica Institute, who talks about this concept because he compares all the different spiritual Teachings and practices and how it impacts the evolution of a human's energy field and existence.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 40:23

Yeah, it definitely experience it also, depending on kind of what kind of practice I do and what drawn to, either One word or the other.

Clifton Smith: 40:32

Yeah, Exactly that's why when we work with clients in our academy and their company, their entities, in the venture studio, we understand what's going on with their business and we can translate that to how their physical body is. And Then vice versa, we could see someone's physical body and their practices and understand where their business is. And Actually one of the most powerful things is to work with the founder, because the business is a natural byproduct of that. So that's why a lot of the more spiritually gifted people who are on sort of the entrepreneur are Rebalancing a lot of the solar plexus. Breath work, gut health, making sure that there's not leaky guy and looking at the physicality Can actually correlate to a lot of that action. And I might swim in one of those people you know as someone who was so connected into the spiritual world, the more that, like going to the gym benching iron Breathwork of probiotics, looking at my gut health, what we've noticed with some of our clients is that those who are spiritually inclined a lot of people these days, even who aren't spiritually inclined have a leaky gut issue because of the food and the way it's been grown, especially in America, and what we've seen is that correlates to poor boundaries, which correlates to improper business arrangements and, as you said, creating the structure to ground a business.

Clifton Smith: 41:58

You need the clear, as clear as possible roles and Entity to form and if you are in Peru, opening up a house where anyone can come in at any point, that's just, you can't. There's nothing to continue that energy and that manifestation and creation. What are some of the more entrepreneurial lessons you've learned since that Peru house?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 42:22

that you've applied so many.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 42:25

Yeah so to know what I want and to do it, everything that is needed to achieve it, even if I don't necessarily like it, it's like in my Nature. What I like to do is like literally to meditate somewhere in the Andes or Himalayas. That's what I like to do. But I also realized no, I want to create projects that, like have an impact on this world, and so, after I finished school, I only dedicate myself to learn about spirituality. I didn't go to college, I didn't have a proper job, nothing, no. So I didn't learn all the tools, and you know the HD and consciousness.

Victoria Petrovsky: 43:02

That's what we say when I decided to create this project.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 43:08

I also realized I need to learn a lot of stuff and now Everything that I'm using every single day. I just learned it by doing, and that includes things that I don't find so sexy accounting, like All of these things are marketing.

Victoria Petrovsky: 43:23

I had a lot of resistance to marketing and money, all of these things now, enough marketing understood.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 43:28

It's really important to get your message out to reach people. It's really important to run a profitable, sustainable business in order to create more projects. I got it now. I love it, but like really having the will to learn what we need to learn I think there was a major lesson and to fail again and again, and again until it's successful. Yeah, so how did you come to love those things like marketing Accounting?

Victoria Petrovsky: 43:53

I don't know if you love accounting yet Maybe love is a strong word, but how do you? Today I love it because I see the why behind it. I see I'm doing that not now, because I love.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 44:07

Excel, but I learned to love Excel because I love Excel. But I learned to love except. Because I love what I want to create, I love what I want to share with the world and that to bring that love into everything I do on a daily level. That makes everything enjoyable.

Clifton Smith: 44:25

Yeah how did you bring the love to accounting to excel? Can you help our listeners understand that it's about?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 44:32

seeing where it leads towards. If I want to create A global organization that bridges deep, deep mysticism with this material world, I need to learn how to balance the numbers minute we're counting. I don't see it as accounting. I see it as a tool to Build my dream in. That moment becomes fun.

Clifton Smith: 44:53

What was that experience or that moment where you realize that accounting is a tool to build your dream, because not many people have made that connection.

Victoria Petrovsky: 45:03

Yes you're not far enough to see.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 45:06

How you thought and recontextualized it probably also through many painful experiences of things not working out. That's right. At some point I had to learn this lesson.

Victoria Petrovsky: 45:19

Yeah, that really resonates for us too. We had to learn about marketing and sales and Clifton thankfully came in with an accounting background. But because of his journey of spiritual awakening was maybe resisting it for a little bit of time, of being the numbers guy and then coming back into it.

Clifton Smith: 45:37

My challenge was more being pigeonholed as just the numbers guy.

Clifton Smith: 45:41

Because no one a lot of people, at least in my reality, don't really like doing the numbers, so then they know that I know how to do the numbers and that's what they want my role to be, and I was being called to a higher expression, or greater expression, which numbers are a key part. But that's not all of it, and there is aspects of myself that were yearning to be developed further, rather than being contained and just focused on numbers, and so that was a lot of my unique journey. But I do love numbers. I love excel Because, just exactly as you said it, you can see how things add up, how things build and just the background and training. I start seeing things in spreadsheets and understanding, like the flow of energy based on accounting, if it's a foundation if there are no proper numbers, it's not going to work.

Victoria Petrovsky: 46:35

And the numbers tell us story about how the business is doing, what the future looks like, what the future roadmap will be if things keep going at this pace or if we need to make changes right. And a lot of times people might avoid the numbers because they don't want to deal with that honest truth.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 46:54

Also. Another lesson I want to share is like the power focusing and to say no. What is that recording? We spoke about the love of doing many projects at the same time. I still have that love, but actually I think the main reason why my partner is growing is a successful organization is because I fully focus on that and I say no Ninety percent of my thoughts and ideas.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 47:19

And there's also difference, because many people, including myself, we like to do many things that is so important and then none of them has enough energy to land. But if you focus on one and that's working, it's much easier to be the second one on top and then a third one on top and then all of a sudden it starts to work. Yeah, that really resonates with me too. Stefan, and in human design.

Victoria Petrovsky: 47:41

We just looked at Stefan's chart before hopping on this call. He's a manifesting generator, so that's a multi passionate entrepreneur. They like to have multiple plate spinning, sinking it back up to how businesses have a thought form, energy in a morphic field. Clifton in my business is a manifesting generator and it wants to do that thing that you're describing of let's do this project and this project and this project.

Victoria Petrovsky: 48:10

We got the venture studio and the quantumpreneur academy and the wellness studio and the research studio and it's like we had to just focus on the quantumpreneur academy for a while, which is just the coaching, which is preparing people for this kind of lifestyle, training the Bodhisattvas to have business skill the expression that came through yesterday and now we're starting to build up the venture studio again. It was always there and I see that you're doing that as well, because you had the conscious innovation lab. You had the research you were doing about channeling futuristic technologies and then you got the Impulse to execute on my palm leaf reading. You let it sit for a little bit. The rest of it develop my palm leaf reading, and now I'm hearing that you're coming back into that Exploration of the business entities and the channeling futuristic technologies and I would say our paths are alike in that as well, would you agree, clifton?

Clifton Smith: 49:06

Yeah, absolutely, and I'd love to hear what was the inspirational moment like for us. We're very much guided by channeling the entity, understanding the entity and, following that, what was your pulse? To open the zoom room once a week, once a day, actually one hour every day, okay, what?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 49:21

it was actually a different kind. It was that I was felt a lot of sadness about the Israel and Palestine situation and I was like key just doesn't help if I'm just in my negative mind. What can I do, like? Okay, let's open up a meditation room and every day, for one hour, let's just pray to all the timeless masters to always been benevolent forces for their every moment, and pray to them, meditate with them to bring light and blessings for this word. So it's slightly different approach. It's still the same outcome, yeah, but it's more about focusing about this essence of goodness hold space for a benevolent future for this planet. So the focus is more our entire world, our entire humanity this time, than a single entity, a single business.

Clifton Smith: 50:13

Beautiful. Yeah, we talk a lot about your total life of joy on an individual level, your total business of joy On the business level, and what we've done is created a framework to understand what amount of energy at what level of the same fractal you can do, because what we've noticed with entrepreneurs, or quantum, or is a quantum based people, is their thinking global, their thinking cosmic and any very macro, and anytime you think of that, you're thinking beyond your physicality and that's going to create an ungroundedness. We also see people who are so embedded in the future that they're not present in the physical right.

Victoria Petrovsky: 50:54

And it's great like there to go in their physical body because they're trying to orient between two realities, like a dizziness being in between Dimension and of course, the other side is like the sadness from the past or the pain from the past.

Clifton Smith: 51:06

That's not in the present moment, so it this three dimensional world Is very potent in terms of being able to create something, because if you're too far in the past or too far in the future, or if you're too beyond your physicality, then this ungroundedness, this inability to manifest, really happens, and at the same time, you have the conscious awakening.

Clifton Smith: 51:31

We have a different frame of like. What kind of conscious awakenings you've been through? A lot of people have the all self conscious awakening, which is the recognition that everyone is connected, and so, at least from my experience, when that happened, I just wanted to play the all self world, which is thinking globally, but what that was doing was that was removing my ability to take care of my I self, my individual self, and so, at the same time, having a measured and I love that it's one hour, a measured amount of time for you to connect to that energy, for you to connect to that part of yourself and have a proactive, joyful, optimistic action that can be taken, because so many times people get caught in the negative Of reacting to the situation. You're potentiating a future with more of that positive energy and you're not over committing yourself to that all self, but you're saying, hey, this is important to me, we're gonna go in and get the job done, and I'm gonna get back to my yes.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 52:36

But in a way I'm also in my palm leaf when I'm sitting there for one hour, because for me my palm is also a tool to contribute To co-creating this benevolent future. So like, and literally, my meditation space two meters from my desk in my office, I go to meditate, I go to my desk.

Victoria Petrovsky: 52:56

Same. Yeah, it's so true like.

Clifton Smith: 52:58

Dr Joe dispensate. He has like a healing group that we've been part of and he says when you heal another, you heal yourself right. Our guru said we cause someone else's reality, you cause yours right. So there is this inner connectedness and what's great is that you have already put in the work to put in the boundaries of what my palm leaf Is right versus not having a business. So there is no vessel for you to invest to contain all of that positive energy. And now there is. And so one of the things we present is people's journey, where they are on their journey, on their journey, do you know what you want to create? Have you created the vessel to contain that entity?

Victoria Petrovsky: 53:40

financial abundance too right?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 53:44

Yes, yeah, what I'm proud to have this, the vessel that you mentioned.

Clifton Smith: 53:49

And the mechanics to be handed so you can fill it up right. So when you go into a field like that that is loving and benevolent, you've got something that is being filled up rather than just pouring through you in and out in that and it just creates more of a. Euphoric experience. There's an actual, constructive or manifested pathway that you're participating in. That is a byproduct of your clarity of who you are, what you're here to do and what the business cases for that, and so I'd love to explore it in this final section.

Victoria Petrovsky: 54:25

I want to hear from you, stefan, what human potential means to you.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 54:30

Our human potential. It means to really connect with this dream in our heart and dedicate our entire life to making it a reality. Because, ultimately, we all know, we all feel what's our potential. Not all of us make the decision to really go for it. To make this decision to yes, I want to live that and to be free also to be free from these societal norms and pressures and decide by ourselves what's the kind of life you want to create.

Victoria Petrovsky: 55:05

Yeah, that feels really aligned with how I would define it as well.

Clifton Smith: 55:09

And really aligned to how I observe you embodying it, stifad, going out and doing what you're doing.

Victoria Petrovsky: 55:16

It's age 20 from what you shared. Yeah.

Clifton Smith: 55:19

Yeah, we always say it's a unique blueprint for each person, right? It's not like oh, go to school, then go do this. For you, that means at 20, go to India, where for others it might be go somewhere else.

Victoria Petrovsky: 55:31

FD or whatever Different path.

Clifton Smith: 55:33

So what's on the horizon for you and my palm leaf in your total life of joy? What's next?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 55:39

There's a big vision for it, but my lesson that I learn every single day was to take things slowly and to really focus on making things work, which is happening right now, and to build on top of that step by step. But also, what's next is I'm very clear that I want to continue this journey together with my team, and just gives me so much joy to work with the people that I work with, because you're not just a company, you're really like friends being on a mission together, and that's really essential for me to keep that sense of we're doing this together and to enjoy our connection in this creation also. So I want to keep this sense of family and friends being on a mission in our creation. But there are many, many dreams. There's a big vision behind it, but I want to take it slow, step by step, and to focus on making it real. Like to have great visions but then really, step by step, bringing it into reality.

Victoria Petrovsky: 56:45

Beautiful.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 56:46

On a practical level also to answer that it means to continue focusing on offering the palm leaf readings Worldwide we do this in many languages and also to explore more the spiritual dimension of it, because the palm leaves are just like the surface of a whole mystical world of the Ascended Masters that are communicating with us humans today. The palm leaf is just one of many tools for us. We basically want to continue creating these kind of tools of awakening, both in the subtle dimension like the palm leaves are online and very subtle but also in the physical dimension, to create places that help us human beings to remember who we truly are actually.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 57:26

Yeah, wow so current path and direction.

Victoria Petrovsky: 57:31

So how can people get in touch with these stuff on to receive their palm leaf reading?

Stephan Oesterreicher: 57:36

So, first of all, it's good to know that the palm leaves will call you in exactly the right moment. At some point you will know, hey, I should look for my palm leaf, and then it's usually the right time to do it. And when it's the right time, just come to our website, mypalmleafcom, or check out our YouTube channel, get inspired and, whenever it's the right moment, we are really, really happy to help you on this journey.

Victoria Petrovsky: 57:58

And the YouTube channel is also called my Palm Leaf.

Stephan Oesterreicher: 58:01

We actually have many YouTube channels in many different languages, but my Palm Leaf is the English channel.

Victoria Petrovsky: 58:06

Beautiful and we'll drop the link in the show notes below both links and we'll offer to our listeners a special promo for getting their palm leaf reading with you. That will also drop in the show notes below.

Clifton Smith: 58:19

Yes, awesome. Well, it's been so incredible to sit with you and share this conversation, as well as all the Ascended Master and Rishis that are supporting and stewarding this mission. I can certainly feel it all and so grateful to have you, victoria, as the co-host and you are listeners. We're so grateful for you tuning in and looking forward to your next activation of conscious awakening.

Victoria Petrovsky: 58:47

Yes, thank you. We'll talk to you guys next time. Thanks for joining.