Victoria Petrovsky: 0:01

Welcome to the Startup of Human Potential. We're your co-hosts.

Clifton Smith: 0:04

I'm Clifton

Victoria Petrovsky: 0:05

And I'm Victoria.

Clifton Smith: 0:07

and together we're Faces of the Future. Faces of the Future is a personal development platform at the intersection of consciousness, innovation, and wellbeing. We're excited to have you join us on our show.

Victoria Petrovsky: 0:21

Yeah. And today we're joined by our good friend Jorge Patrono

Jorge Patrono: 0:27

Hello guys.

Victoria Petrovsky: 0:28

Jorge is a music and video creator passionate about science and spirituality. He introduces a lot of more esoteric and spiritual concepts to the global Hispanic community, and he works as a bridge between the international market and the Latin market in the edutainment industry, helping them bring that information into everyday life. His latest project he's working on is a documentary about science and spirituality called Your Life, your Creation. In Spanish. It's called Tu vida tu creation. I hope that pronunciation was okay,

Jorge Patrono: 1:00

Yes, that's right.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:01

and it's a bilingual project featuring 28 experts from all over the world. He's got the big shots in there like Dr. Bruce Lipton, Dr. Joe Dispenza, Greg Braden, Marian Williamson, just to name a few. Jorge works with sound and light frequencies and different technologies related to human energy, electro photonic imaging, structured water, heart and brain coherence, and sacred geometry. So all of this body of work that Jorge has assimilated through his whole life is working a lot on health prevention, right? So, Jorge, we're so, so, so excited to have you on the show. Welcome.

Jorge Patrono: 1:39

Thank you for the invitation. It's a pleasure.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:42

Awesome. So just to catch our listeners up, I wanna introduce how we met Jorge. We met Jorge when we were working on a water project. We were exploring different pathways that water can fuel consciousness from, like structured water to alkaline water. And here we are today.

Jorge Patrono: 2:05

After a long time,

Victoria Petrovsky: 2:06

Yes, yes, yes.

Jorge Patrono: 2:08

a couple of years passed

Victoria Petrovsky: 2:09

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 2:09

Yeah.

Clifton Smith: 2:09

So with all of this, Jorge how did it start, you've got many different projects going on, but how did it all start?

Jorge Patrono: 2:17

I start as a musician. My father was, a big producer in Argentina capital records for many, many years. And I grew up in recording studios, radio stations and TV sets, and and I have it in my blood. So, the main thing for me was the drums. I mean, I always was attracted to the drums and since I was two years old and when I was 11, I started I had my teacher for the first time when I was 11 years old. And since then, I never stopped it's my passion. And later on I understood how good it was for me to become a drummer, because when you, well, any instrument is amazing. Any musical instrument is amazing for the development of your brain. But the more limbs. that you use to learn independently how to move them. For example, the drums, you are, you have four limbs now. You have a brain that has two hemispheres. Everything works in parallel, uh, from the factory. We come from the factory with everything parallel. Okay? Now, the moment that you want to do something,

Victoria Petrovsky: 3:25

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 3:26

crossing the information from one brain to the next one, to the other one, one is hemisphere and the other, you need to learn

Victoria Petrovsky: 3:33

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 3:33

you need to create a cabling of that. And that is, is the only way is practicing. You know?

Clifton Smith: 3:41

So what's an example of that Jorge? How? How do you cross hemispheres?

Jorge Patrono: 3:44

well, if I move my right hand, I'm, I try to move it at the same time as my left foot.

Victoria Petrovsky: 3:50

Mm-Hmm.

Clifton Smith: 3:52

Oh, I see.

Jorge Patrono: 3:53

you try do this together, you can't.

Track 1: 3:56

Yeah. Also, drummers are usually crossing their hands in like the right.

Jorge Patrono: 4:00

Well, that's another problem. But we are talking about the two hemispheres. You have one right side. One left side. Okay. So you move this the right leg and the right arm at the same time. No problem. The left, no problem. When you cross them

Clifton Smith: 4:14

I got it.

Jorge Patrono: 4:16

left, right or left right, you have to learn it. And those are connections that you're creating now after many, many years. And, studying with different, scientists and all this stuff, I realized that that gives you what is called neuroplasticity.

Victoria Petrovsky: 4:33

Mm mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 4:35

Neuroplasticity is when you can jump from one side to the other one and, put everything in the same context because the right side is more,

jorge-patrono_2_10-19-2023_103007: 4:43

you know,

Jorge Patrono: 4:43

creative and passionate and intuitive. The other one is logic.

jorge-patrono_2_10-19-2023_103007: 4:47

You know,

Jorge Patrono: 4:47

You think a lot you analyze. So if when you put them together, it is like. Analyzing, but at the same time being in the flow. Or open to receive information from the quantum field and then logically put it into this field. So you are using both. Okay. So you are complete. Actually the brain is working as one unit. Usually it's working as one unit. But the thing is, well, we are very logical. We are, very emotional and at the same time, we are jumping from one side to the other. So our life is also jumping from one thing to the other. It is very difficult to project yourself. Now, neuroplasticity is very important. Joe Dispenza talks about this a lot and you know, Bruce Lipton also in epigenetics. So without knowing the drums, helped me to be part of that experiment. Okay. And to put it into my life. Since I was very, very young. So I believe that that's one thing I believe that every kid should grow up learning some instrument, guitar, piano, whatever it is, because actually it brings so much, openness between heart and brain,

Victoria Petrovsky: 5:57

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 5:58

physical body, the stress. You release a lot of stress and anxiety. I mean, there's so many things that are really good. So unfortunately, some schools, they right now don't have a music course or something to support them. You know, it should be as, it should be. Also, physical activity, the sports, both things. But I believe that music is essential, when you grow up. And now when I was, 30 years old. I realized that I, in my career, I was already a professional musician as a drummer, that was the only thing that I was doing, playing the drums. And I decided to come to the United States because I wanted to go further with my career in my country. I was already at the top on that. And I said, well, what, what else can I do? And all my mentors were here. Okay? All the great musicians that I

Victoria Petrovsky: 6:48

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 6:49

you know, my whole life, they were here. So I said, well, I came to the United States. I came to Los Angeles. I had an aunt, and a cousin that lived here for many, many years. And so I came and I study percussion and drums with an amazing teacher that was very old, 80 something, 85 years old, almost blind, but he was the in Los Angeles. Every professional went to see him. It was only for professionals. He didn't, teach anybody that was not a professional. So I had to wait for six months. I was in the waiting list and I studied with him for two years. And after that I started working with different musicians and I realized that

jorge-patrono_2_10-19-2023_103007: 7:30

I,

Jorge Patrono: 7:31

I had ideas to compose music I never compose before. And I started composing music. And then I started producing groups in the at that time the Grammys were there was no Latin Grammys. It was only one Grammy, which is the American Grammy, but it was three categories for Hispanic Latin music. Okay. So the one that I worked on was best Mexican American Performance. That was the name of the

Victoria Petrovsky: 7:57

mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 7:58

And why that? Well, I didn't know English. So when I came here, I started working with Mexican musicians because Los Angeles is full of Mexican musicians. So, I started working with them and I understood their music, and different things. And then I realized that I could compose and produce. I did it. And I got two Grammy nominations out of that 1990. 1992. Long, long time Many, many moons ago, months ago. So I'm pretty old as you can deduct out of that. that So the thing is after that, I started thinking about video production, and I met a producer from one of the big networks in LA in, in the United States, in Spanish Univision from Miami. And, we started producing musical shows for the Hispanic market. So I learned vision production and because I learned that afterwards, I mean, many, many years later I was able do the documentary because before it was impossible for me. So I learned how to edit, how to use after Effects, all that stuff. Now the transition between being a musician and doing what I'm doing right now, which is edutainment, education through entertainment, I'm not interested in music for entertainment. I'm interested in music for frequency use. Okay. Based on the frequencies. And and I can see that the frequencies are amazing. Is everything is everywhere,

Clifton Smith: 9:20

How did you come to that conclusion?'cause our listeners, some might know that frequency is really important, some might not. How did you come to that realization? I.

Jorge Patrono: 9:31

I mean, there are a couple of geniuses before that mentioned this. Like everybody knows Tesla. And Tesla said, everything is energy, vibration and frequencies. There's nothing else.

jorge-patrono_2_10-19-2023_103007: 9:41

Uh,

Jorge Patrono: 9:42

Einstein said it also, and then Royal Rife in in 1930 was starting to use frequencies to, to cure any disease, especially cancer. And and he was successful a hundred percent. So when you see that it's like, wow, man, there's something that we are missing.

Victoria Petrovsky: 10:00

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 10:01

We are not understanding actually what we are. What this is. Okay. Whatever we see and we touch and we can tune in with the five senses that we have. In the documentary I put in, in your life creation I made an association between the power of our five senses the reality of all the frequencies that are in the

Victoria Petrovsky: 10:24

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 10:24

that we cannot even contemplate or tune in with. And it is the same as a grain of sand in comparison to the Empire State. So with a grain of sand, we want to understand the universe. It's impossible. Okay. It's impossible because actually there's not info enough information for anything. It's just a grain of salt or a grain of as sand. So that's how limited we are in the third dimension. Inside this vehicle that has five senses, or five, whatever it is, that you can call them. The sensors are, reading the environment in different

Track 1: 10:58

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 10:59

but is that the reality is that all there is or there's something else. And that's a question that I started asking myself. And when I came to the United States, not only I found great musicians, but also great minds that were related to science,

Victoria Petrovsky: 11:16

Yeah.

Jorge Patrono: 11:17

spirituality,

Victoria Petrovsky: 11:18

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 11:19

biology, and neuroscience. And when I started reading that and watching videos and all stuff I'm meeting, I wanted to meet them in person. I always go to the source. Always to the source. So if somebody talks about, I don't know, something that Joe Dispensa said, I go to Joe Dispenza. If somebody talks about epigenetics, I go to Bruce Lipton. Okay. I don't want people, translating that for me or, interpreting something, because usually it's like, the broken phone, you know? So when you start, telling the other one on the other one at the end of the chain, the message is completely different. So I always go to the source, and I found the course in Miracles. Marianne Williamson I found Epigenetics. Bruce Lipton, I found, Heart Brain Coherence, Rollin McCraty, all of,

Victoria Petrovsky: 12:09

And now they are all in your documentary,

Jorge Patrono: 12:12

and then ended in the That was, but that was not the intention.

Victoria Petrovsky: 12:17

right?

Jorge Patrono: 12:18

Because actually when I for example, when I came here. I already studied I don't know if you know the fourth way Gurdjieff

jorge-patrono_2_10-19-2023_103007: 12:25

uh,

Victoria Petrovsky: 12:25

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 12:26

That was a school from the, an eastern school that was very, very intense. Okay. And I learned a lot about that, about, for example, there was an exercise that I did when I was 20 years old. That was the exercise of the stop

Victoria Petrovsky: 12:37

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 12:38

and the exercise of the stop is you were in, meeting with people, in a room and they were talking and the teacher said, stop. You have to stop and realize what was in your head and what was the intention in your body? What were your movements how you were presenting yourself in that situation. And that makes you conscious or aware of the subconscious mind, whatever was working behind consciousness and that you are not conscious about it. We have to understand that 95% of our day is subconscious. Okay? And very little is really conscious. Unconscious is present time, but we are always projecting future and past, always completely, always. We have an ego that is working all the time, saying, okay, this is bad for you. This is good for you based on experiences, what experiences from the past and how do you project that to the future? what's going on now in the present moment? So we lose the present moment because we are thinking all the time, going back and forth things that we learned and things that we project. But I mean, what we learn is fine, but the projection may be, may happen or not. It's something that and we react to that, is what Lipton talks about. Our emotions and everything that happens to us that we project, but never happen. But it creates the biology because of the emotions that we create. All the chemical reaction, all the stuff. Even though the present time has nothing to do with

Victoria Petrovsky: 14:12

that Right.

Jorge Patrono: 14:13

So the thing is, when we understand that, we say, okay, I will always be in the subconscious mind for a long period of time during the day, but how long I'll be with an idea during the day that will create a frequency that will bring my present experience.

Victoria Petrovsky: 14:33

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 14:33

That's the main thing that we have that I'm working

Victoria Petrovsky: 14:36

on Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 14:36

Okay. How many times I'm anguished because of something? How many times I'm stressed out because of something that I'm projecting

Victoria Petrovsky: 14:44

Mm-Hmm. or something that is happening right now. Okay. But instead of thinking that way, go back to the present moment and say, what can you do right now in relationship to that? Don't go to the future because the future, we don't know. We don't know what, what can happen. Maybe it won't happen. And we are thinking about something that is, is Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 15:07

and we are living the stress now for something that we're projecting in the future. That may never happen, but it creates the present right now. And we don't know. I said, and we call that luck or bad luck.

Victoria Petrovsky: 15:21

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 15:22

Okay. No, it's a creation. Oh, it's all the time of creation. And we can talk about that later on. But the thing is this, when I realized that, I said, well, okay, what else can I learn here? And I went through different schools that, that were the fourth way from go, Gurdjieff, mainly. And I didn't like them. So I ended up one day, I don't remember exactly how I went through. I was driving for sunset Boulevard, going to Pacific Palaces, and then went down to the beach and before I saw a temple, beautiful temple. And it was the Lake Shrine from Paramahansa Yogananda.

Victoria Petrovsky: 16:00

Yeah, it's a beautiful spot.

Jorge Patrono: 16:01

And beautiful place. I, I fell in love immediately. So I went in there. I mean, the temple was not ready yet. It was not done. It was just the chapel down by the lake.

Victoria Petrovsky: 16:12

wow.

Jorge Patrono: 16:13

At that time. There was no temple. It was just parking lot. I went there. I saw the windmill chapel. I saw the gardens. I saw the lake. The energy was unbelievable. I said, this place is amazing. I saw the choir. There was a choir singing, and I joined the choir.

Victoria Petrovsky: 16:31

Wow.

Jorge Patrono: 16:32

Yeah, I joined the choir because something tell told me, you have to be

Victoria Petrovsky: 16:36

here Mm-Hmm. And I stayed there for a couple of years. I help when they started building the temple upstairs. I help with the audio video. System. I was part of the team Oh wow.

Jorge Patrono: 16:49

to put on the ceiling and cameras, microphones, So it was amazing, and then I did the Kriya yoga full course of two years that they teach there. And that blew me away. That was really amazing understanding many, many things. The power of the mind, the heart, all the stuff you know. Now that was very I mean, it was related to, deep meditation, Samadhi, all the stuff, that is not easy that I have. You have to practice energization exercises, 38 energization exercises that you do before doing deep meditation to prepare the body is scientific. I mean, Paramahansa Yogananda was a scientist actually of spirituality and mind, and there's a science behind it. And he was really a, an amazing teacher. And when you follow what he teaches, it's much easier to go into deep meditation understanding Samadhi and what happened with him, all the stuff. So that was the beginning of a new search. When I met Paramahansa's teachings, then I realized that I wanted to know more things about different, branches of science. And then I read the biology of belief and it was like an aha moment. Okay. Now why? The biology of belief for me was like the Bible. Okay? Because I was sick, my whole infancy and

Victoria Petrovsky: 18:18

Oh.

Jorge Patrono: 18:19

I. And when I was a teenager until I was 20 something, my mom was a hypochondriac and she was almost always having some kind of disease. And I grew up with that in mind. That was normal to be sick. Okay. And she was very hard with me when I was in school, that I had to, have good grades and this and that. So she was like a sergeant, in my house, and it was difficult for me because actually I had to be perfect and I had to do everything perfect.

Victoria Petrovsky: 18:47

Wow.

Jorge Patrono: 18:48

And, at some point I realized that sick, and this was when I was here, I realized that, after understanding many, many things, one day it came to my, my, my mind and it said, okay, that's what happened to me when I was sick. My mother was the mother that I want.

Victoria Petrovsky: 19:09

Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 19:10

She was. Emotional, she was nurturing, she was tender. She was not a sergeant anymore'cause I was sick and I was in bed. So for me it was a way to get close to her.

Victoria Petrovsky: 19:24

Hmm

Jorge Patrono: 19:26

Now to realize that, it is not easy. Okay? Because actually you have an idea that your mother is the best thing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in my case, it was not the best thing. It was really traumatic

Victoria Petrovsky: 19:40

mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 19:41

and it was reflected in my health for you to understand. I had four bronchitis every year of 15 days. Each one with penicillin shots and all the stuff, nebulization, asthma, all the stuff. I lost two full years between elementary school and and you call it one is elementary school

Victoria Petrovsky: 20:05

Middle School.

Jorge Patrono: 20:06

I mean, which

Victoria Petrovsky: 20:08

iNtermediate school.

Jorge Patrono: 20:08

Elementary school and middle school, two full years. I lost 60 days per year for scholar year. Imagine. I mean, I was always sick. Okay? Now, when I have kids, I realized how crazy my house was, how crazy my relationship with my mother was how bad the whole thing was because my kids were never sick.

Victoria Petrovsky: 20:33

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 20:34

for me, when you talk about the family

Victoria Petrovsky: 20:37

tree Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 20:38

well, I think I chopped it off.

Victoria Petrovsky: 20:40

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 20:41

It's a new tree, completely

Victoria Petrovsky: 20:43

All the work that you were doing on your subconscious and conscious

Jorge Patrono: 20:47

It's reflected into my kids, okay? And I realized that I made all the mistakes. Of course every parent makes mistakes, but I didn't repeat the same mistakes that I went through when I was a kid. So. Once I understood that it was a huge weight, that it was on that, that was on my

Victoria Petrovsky: 21:09

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 21:09

that, vanished immediately and it was lighter and I could, be more in charge of my life.

Victoria Petrovsky: 21:15

Yeah. So, Jorge, tying together what you just shared about how your mom was a hypochondriac and growing up in that kind of environment, plus with this whole biology of belief, epigenetics, conversation, subconscious versus conscious. What's like that connection that you're creating scenarios where you actually get sick because of the belief that there's something wrong with you, right? Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 21:39

Well, there's something called the comfort zone. The comfort zone is not comfortable. It is the zone that you are most often, that you stay in that zone, most often during the day, weeks and months and years. You know, you're used to that. Even though you're suffering, even though you don't like it, even though you complain. But we are, we have another thing going on. Every emotion creates a chemical reaction and we get addicted to that chemical reaction

Victoria Petrovsky: 22:08

And we just talked in our previous episode with actually another musician, Coleman Trapp with addiction to neurotransmitters and hormones being secreted in the body. Cortisol,

Jorge Patrono: 22:19

exactly. We have a laboratory inside, and it depends on our thoughts our emotions and our coherence or incoherence and also our microbiome, so there are many things that create chemicals in our body, and can have chemicals that are healthy for you and chemicals that are dangerous for you. Cancer is because you create so many chemicals that are

Victoria Petrovsky: 22:41

acidic Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 22:43

You change the apoptosis, inflammation in the cell, it becomes an independent cell. And grow, grow, grow grows until the whole body is dead. Why that happens? Well, because you created so many chemicals that creates acidity, inflammation apoptosis, many things. And for a period of time, many years, actually, it doesn't happen in months. It happen in, for example, the tumor takes seven years to show up as a physical thing. So you have seven years to stop it, before you can see it. But if you don't see it, how do you know that, that you are creating that inside your body? Well go inside and say, how do I feel Most of the time,

Victoria Petrovsky: 23:22

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 23:23

and there are two main emotions, love and fear. The everything else is like, 50 shades of gray it's the same thing. 50 shades of Grey could be 50 shades of fear, shades of love. So different things, but the chemical reactions are completely opposite. Love creates health, and fear creates disease.

Victoria Petrovsky: 23:45

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 23:45

If you are too long in that emotion

Victoria Petrovsky: 23:49

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 23:50

and if that, that's the force that is driving your life today. For example, when I have people in my sessions and we go through the heart brain coherence, I can tell you that 95% cannot go into coherence unless I do an exercise that I learned from Paramahansa Yogananda. The Ham So

Victoria Petrovsky: 24:13

I remember when we were at your studio with Clifton and you hooked us up to the Heart Coherence EM Wave Machine and the Bio Well Machine, and you gave us that exercise. I think that you gave us three exercises. The first one was to think about something that makes you angry. The second was thinking of something that you love or you feel grateful for. And then the third one was the mantra. Hum. So and what happened with you Clifton?

Clifton Smith: 24:40

Yeah. So, my mind just went off because I thought it was so hum and I was, that's how it was passed to me. So I'm here trying to be peacefully saying it, but then my mind was like, wait it's so ham ham, so, so ham my mind was completely out of coherence in that exercise

Jorge Patrono: 24:55

the thing, the good thing about these tools is that we can see what we

Clifton Smith: 24:58

feel Yeah. Absolutely. And it feels like that's one your major missions, right? Is you've taken a lot of your life experience and you've learned from the masters, so many great teachers and you combine it into a documentary the next step for science is to be able to observe, measure and create experiments to repeat. Right? And so, is that kind of where you're at now? Or how, take us through, these more, soft, practices to hard science. I know that you have the Biowell, you have these emWave things. How did you transition into these hard science devices?

Jorge Patrono: 25:35

Well, they came to me because actually when you follow a path, a lot of things just come to you. Okay. And that's what it is. I, it's not that I was looking for, but things were happening, and every time. I learned something out of the Ham So For example You said So Ham soham. I know it's the same thing, but it comes from a different school. Now it doesn't matter what you say, you can say whatever you want in your mind, the only thing that you have to do is to keep this, the frontal lobe busy. That's the only reason why you do that. So when you do that, and I know you know this, but you know, just for the audience, when you do that and you keep the frontal lobe, the frontal lobe can do one thing at a time. It cannot multitask. That's a lie. You can change thoughts faster,

Victoria Petrovsky: 26:24

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 26:24

but it's never overlapping. Never. The subconscious mind can do 1 million things at a time. It's doing it right now. It's doing it, because the body is working, because the subconscious mind. So the thing is, what happens when you are doing the Ham So? And some idea comes that has nothing to do with the hon Ham So. Well that's in your subconscious mind. And usually that is not a good thing. That thing that comes to stop the Ham So is your ego bringing something because it's afraid of losing power. That's the main problem there. So we have to understand the ego is survival and it's a good thing because actually if you touch fire and you burn yourself, next time you see fire, you don't touch it because actually the ego will tell you, listen, the experience that we had before, that's not gonna be good for you. don't do it. That's good. The problem is when you live in survival mode all the time and survival mode could be triggered by anything. You know it, it depends on your perception of something. Now, one of the things that I learned long time ago, and it was very difficult for me to understand, I came from the course in miracles it's everything is neutral.

Victoria Petrovsky: 27:35

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 27:37

And you say, well, how can it be neutral? Well, it's neutral because actually in the duality that we live right now, nothing can be bad by itself or good by itself. It's always both polarities

Victoria Petrovsky: 27:52

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 27:53

which one you are really, who being in tune with, there's nothing here that's absolute in this world that we live in. The third dimension, nothing is absolute. So there's nothing that is pure love and nothing that is pure evil. It has both. So where am I? Well, what is my perception of that? Well, the association that I have with that, that thing that is happening and association perception is basically anything I can think about. Anything I can see the micro say, this is bad or good, it doesn't matter. You know, adjectives are very human. They're not divine. They're not Quantum. Quantum is absolute.

Victoria Petrovsky: 28:38

Can you give us an example of what you mean, Jorge?

Jorge Patrono: 28:42

Well, yeah. I mean, when I see something and I say this is good or this is bad. In relation to what? see. Mm-Hmm. to what?

Victoria Petrovsky: 28:51

Yeah. We don't have the bigger picture in what we're observing. We see like a specific snapshot in time, in linear time, and we may observe, oh, this is bad. This is good, but we can't exactly see like where everything is going or the plan of the higher intelligence and the universe. can you dive into a little bit what the bio Well does and how you use the tool?

Jorge Patrono: 29:14

Yeah. It's, is the energy field. It's not the aura, it is the energy field of the human being and is using a Kirlian photography technology, which is not new. The new thing is a software that interprets the images of the 10 fingers.

Victoria Petrovsky: 29:30

Yeah. So when Clifton and I came over to Jorge's Wellness Studio, you have a sensor on the Biowell and we put each fingerprint down individually. So you do your right thumb, right forefinger right middle finger. So on. Then you switch to left hand and you do the whole left hand and it scans the body and it looks at the meridians, the organ systems, the chakras.

Jorge Patrono: 29:51

You have three modalities inside the software. One is allopathy, which is systems and organs like medicine, normal medicine. Then Ayurveda, which is the chakra system, which is emotional system. And then you have meridians of, uh, Chinese uh, acupuncture With those three, you are analyzing the whole system. We call the human being from the energy point of

Victoria Petrovsky: 30:17

Mm-Hmm. So Now we understand that of when fingerprints down, you get a picture of what the whole energy field looks like, where there might be deficiencies, irregularities, where things are smoother. Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 30:29

because each finger is related to different organs and systems.

Victoria Petrovsky: 30:33

Mm-Hmm. So when you see the circle of the finger, it's like, looking at a pie. Mm-Hmm. That has slices divided by the meridians of the Chinese acupuncture Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 30:48

So when you have that for example, the thumb, the right thumb is related maybe is not, but it is like saying, okay this part, this portion is lungs, this portion is the liver, portion So each finger has that information. Map of the human bodies and Okay? Mm-Hmm? exactly. So based on that, it gives you the image of the energy the way is distributed around the body. And now what we look for is interruptions or flares. Or emptiness, so when you see that, then you apply different things, structured water, for example. You can see it in 15 minutes. That improves the flow of the energy. Now the energy is like a river, The Biowell is taking pictures of a river It's moving all the time. That's why you cannot do just one reading. You have to have four, and you get the average the four because actually what repeats true. Okay? But some things happen just once,

Victoria Petrovsky: 31:48

mm-Hmm. in a river. So one is before, one is you do an intervention, like drink the structured water. You do one after, or what are the other two

Jorge Patrono: 32:00

The first two is when the person comes to the session one after the other one. So you see the baseline. The third one is after moving the heart, doing, sit ups or something when you're agitated because you need to see what happens with the energy field. When you do exercise, right. Yeah. And then when you calm down again, so you see how fast the person goes back to a stable

Clifton Smith: 32:23

Is that related to heart rate variability or?

Jorge Patrono: 32:28

no, no, because our rate variability is emotional more than anything else. We need to know the physical first, then we go to the emotional and we see what's going on. But the Heart Brain coherence will show up in the chakra system It's the first thing you will see a difference. Okay? Now the structured water, you'll see in the energy field. It's because it has negative ions, it has a different kind of molecule. It has more oxygen. So immediately the river flows better And you can see in the legs and the head mainly.

Clifton Smith: 33:04

So, are you finding uses for these technologies then to assess the different layers of people's bodies? You know, this first exercise is all around the physical body you're testing and measuring, the Ham So, measures the emotional body. How did you come to these different kinds of tests? Because obviously a tool is a tool like Bio Well is Bio Well, but it's how you use it, right? How did you.

Jorge Patrono: 33:29

They compliment each other. They compliment each other. That's what I realized. I started with each ones in a separate way. Okay. And then little by little working on myself, I realized that they compliment each other.

Victoria Petrovsky: 33:42

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 33:43

There's one part that is more physical more, another part that is more ethereal. Another part that is more mind, so now there's something else. Because when you start working with frequencies, which is a whole new topic, we have to understand that we are like a radio station that transmits and receives the same thing that you transmit. It's like a radio. We are radios and the thing is being aware of what is that I'm transmitting is key for how your life is gonna be physically emotionally, mentally, if you don't know. Which frequency predominates in you every day. Your life is like a tennis ball that goes from one side to the other, one of the court, and you never know where it's gonna end up. we call that luck, which I believe, and I used to believe that it was true that we were lucky or unlucky not anymore. I don't see life as a chance. I see life as a design. The only way you can design, if you know the tools, you cannot design anything if you don't know what tools you have And how to use those tools. So we have different tools, we have tools that are physical, for example, in microbiome, which is essential. And nobody, I mean now is a lot of people are talking about that, you know, SIBO and all this stuff that happens with the leaky gut

Clifton: 35:16

We had a previous podcast guest couple, Erika and Dario of Keefer Labs, who is all around helping the gut. So tune into that one to get more details about that. But, Keep going. Keep going.

Victoria Petrovsky: 35:28

I was gonna say, I love how the conversation from each episode of our guests is stacking to build a complete picture of what wellness is, of what consciousness is and yeah. thank you. Of course.

Jorge Patrono: 35:39

those are complimentary tools. If you understand the information that each one of them is giving you, and you put all of them in a wider spectrum, You can have a better picture of what we are and where we are. For example bio well doesn't cure anything. It's for preventive We can say I see this or that, and there's too much energy. What does it mean if I see too much energy in the prostate zone of a man that is over 50 Well, my question is, have you checked your prostate lately? And he will tell me, you know, it's been three years since I went to the, well, it will be a good idea to go and check it out, to see what's going on, because I can see a lot of energy here. Now, accumulation of energy at some point is not good Because it means that it's working too much And it's asking for a lot of energy that could be allocated in other parts of the body that needs, so you have to understand if you don't have energy, you don't have health. And if the energy is stuck in some part of your body. Mm-Hmm. That part of the body is the first one that is gonna be sick Mm-Hmm. That's what it means. Okay? Now, I cannot tell you if you're sick or not, but I can tell you, check it out.

Victoria Petrovsky: 36:50

Right.

Jorge Patrono: 36:52

And if I tell you, check it out, and it's in the early stages, you get rid of it very simply, now if you, for example, some people may come to see me and they already have cancer. They already have cancer, and they know they're going through chemotherapy and radiation, all this stuff. Well, how can we use this technology? Well, this technology, the Biowell technology gives us the information before and after,

Victoria Petrovsky: 37:17

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 37:19

So if the person is taking medicine that is pretty heavy chemotherapy and radiation is very heavy for the body. We measure the energy before the session and after the session and we see which organ system suffer the most. And then we can support that. For example, the liver is really suffering a lot because it has to filter a lot of uh, chemicals, The kidneys also, different things and say, well, okay, we have to support that. Okay. And you can see it on the screen. You can see how that organ system changed before and after. So that's the way we use this, and we can use it with anything. We can use it with before and after meditation, before and after whatever.

Victoria Petrovsky: 37:57

Jorge mailed us the tool. Jorge, we were doing some tests at home and you were on the phone giving support for how to read the scan and Clifton and I did every single intervention. We did, like you said, before meditation, after meditation before we did the VibrAcoustic therapy bed. After we did that before yoga. After yoga, before I drink my morning drink after we got a little bit obsessed

Jorge Patrono: 38:21

Well, no, but the good thing is that then you realize what is doing something good for you what is not, and then you can change your habits, we are people of habits, Human beings. We have strong habits and sometimes we don't even see that, because it's so embedded inside us that we are so used to it that we don't realize that we have that,

Clifton Smith: 38:47

Jorge, mentioned before, maybe if you could help our listeners understand a bit, you mentioned that sometimes people ping pong in their day to day and it's about staying, centered. How do they do that? Or what are some tips that you've found to, to help them stay centered?

Jorge Patrono: 39:05

Well, to talk about that, we have to go to the frequency

Clifton: 39:09

exactly. My favorite.

Jorge Patrono: 39:11

If we're radio stations, we need to be aware. If we are broadcasting, rap,classical music, country music whatever it is, if we don't know what we're broadcasting, well we are lost, completely lost. Whatever happens, happens, And why is that? Because actually the first thing is what I feel, what I think, What I say and what I do, four frequencies, Those are the main frequencies that we have. In a daily base, four frequencies. Now if I go to place and I feel something, because the first thing, the heart is faster than the brain. So the thing is this, the heart, which is magnetic, goes into the brain that is electric And it creates an electric magnetic

Victoria Petrovsky: 40:00

when they work together. Otherwise, two different things. right? Which one is attracting more? I don't know which one is stronger. Yeah.

Jorge Patrono: 40:09

So that's the one that is bringing your reality. Now, if after that you say something that it has, that is not working with the, what you felt and what you thought, because you have to, for example, fit in. You're in a room with other people. You go in, into the room and you, you don't feel comfortable, but you stay Anyway. That was, that's the first frequency of the heart is giving you, I don't like these people, I don't like this place, but you stay anyway. Okay. If you are really coherent, you leave, You don't stay in a place that you don't feel well, there's no reason for that, but you stay because there's something behind that is saying, nah, stay. You know, okay, a couple of drinks, whatever, you stay now. Then you start thinking about, okay, I'm going to talk to that person, or that person or that one. And you start, listening to things. Some of them you think, some of them you don't. Then you say something now is that you? Or you are trying to fit in and you're saying whatever. You don't even care about what you're saying. You just want to be there and be accepted. Third frequency, and then what are you doing with that? Okay, what is the body feeling? How do you feel? Is your body contracted? Is your body expanded? Do you feel that comfortable? Do you still feel that you are not yourself? Fourth frequency. So which one is going to bring your reality if you change the radio station every five seconds? You never listen to one song. Well, if you don't listen to the song, that's like trying to bring into your reality whatever it is that you want to bring. iT's not enough because in five seconds you don't know if the song, if you like the song

Victoria Petrovsky: 41:58

Some people know what station they're on.

Jorge Patrono: 42:02

Exactly. And the other problem that we have, you are in a place that you don't like. And instead of if you're in a place that you don't like, you put the wrong station.

Victoria Petrovsky: 42:11

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 42:11

Okay. Now you wanted to listen to classical music, but you are on the rap radio station. What do you do or what people do normally criticize the rap because they don't like it? What is the best thing to do? Change the dial, Mm-Hmm? Yes. Because that is another expression and it has all the right to be there Yeah. Change your focus and, It's not for you, but it doesn't

Clifton Smith: 42:39

how do you change that dial? it like Yeah. I.

Jorge Patrono: 42:44

Well, actually, what do you feel?

Victoria Petrovsky: 42:46

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 42:47

How do you feel? Do you feel, open? When I'm with Bruce Lipton, I feel completely open

Victoria Petrovsky: 42:54

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 42:55

I don't have to pretend to be somebody else. But if I'm in a meeting where a lot of people want to do businesses and you have to impress them, and you are not yourself, you're selling yourself, you're selling something that you're not and you don't feel well. So we talk about, doing business, doing business should be a spiritual thing, Which is not right now. That's for sure a completely material, it's completely third dimension. There's no quantum field on that. The quantum field Yeah. Comes because it has to come, but it's not projected the way that we want it. That's why we say win-win situation. What does it mean? win-win situation? Because everybody's in the same frequency. I don't want to take what is yours. You don't want to take what is mine and I feel great. If you get what you need to get out of the deal

Victoria Petrovsky: 43:45

And each person, their alignment. I'll add to what you're saying, Jorge, that's what we talk about with being a quantum preneur. That win-win scenario that you're talking about is like each person knows who they are. They know their role, they understand there's a bigger vision. They play different roles in that vision, and they know how they can both play in accordance with their own blueprint for what's an integrity to their core essence and how they can win and win with the other person being that same thing too.

Jorge Patrono: 44:15

exactly. So. Your relationship's like a building, you put, the little parts and then you ended up with a house. But if you are in a place where somebody wants to take, over and get more for himself or herself you stop the construction. I mean, actually it will never, yeah. It's like it's gonna be chaotic, completely chaotic. Instead of having a roof, it's gonna be holes. Many things that you have to try to cover in a different way. Stress. Okay. So there are many things that we don't understand that are very simple actually. They're not so complicated. The problem is we were never told about those things. Now. Then we have heart brain coherence

Victoria Petrovsky: 44:55

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 44:56

That's when heart brain Coherence is a very good tool, because actually we see the coherence not only with the sine wave, but also with the amplitude of the s sine wave. For example, some people, when they come here and I go through, okay let's see the level of stress, as you mentioned before, think about something that's stressful in your life right now. Okay. And I can see it. It's like a, it is peaks you know, like, dense. There's no sine wave. It is, it's all jerky. But not only that, when it's stressful, you can see, the heartbeat going to peaks that are maybe it jumps from 80 to one 10, which is the amount of, palpitations. So that means. That is a lot of stress. And if the person has a heart problem, it could be, a very, very important thing to understand because that idea is giving you that jump in your heartbeat, which is not good. So we look for between 60 and 70 a sine wave when we have that for a period of time. You're in coherence. why is it important to be in coherence? Because you're sending just one frequency to the quantum field.

Victoria Petrovsky: 46:07

Mm-Hmm.. And that's something that we did before this episode actually. We did a quick Heart brain coherence meditation to get in the same vibe as one another with Jorge, and with every episode we do and every client that we work with. And I love the topic that you're talking about with that and business, Jorge, because it's important for all parties to be in a collective field of heart and brain coherence, because when they're pulling for more, that is not them, that's their ego operating from maybe the solar plexus that need for control, domination, power. That means the energy hasn't yet come up to the heart. And Dr. Joe Dispenza talks about this in his week long retreats about how you bring the energy up to the heart so you could do coherence healing for other people. So to do business, in this case, it's a good idea to bring energy to the heart.

Jorge Patrono: 46:59

Well, the way I use it is I measure myself in the energy field and I do heart brain coherence. Now, when you see that you are coherent and you feel that this is a good thing, because actually I always tell the, the person that comes to visit me create a relationship between what you see and what you feel. Relate yourself when you see that you were coherent, remember the feeling Yeah. Then go back to that feeling. You can have HeartMath in your phone, in your iPhone, and actually they made a deal with Apple. And you don't need to buy the sensor from HeartMath. You just buy the accessory from, for the iPhone. And, you open the application and then you do it, just put the sensor in your earlobe and you just open in the phone and you can do five minutes anytime of the day, when you need to, uh, make a decision for something. You know, don't make the decision from fear. Don't say anything from fear because you're gonna regret it in the future. You're going to regret it, that's for sure. And it happens to all of us. Okay? You're not exempt for that. But the thing is, when you understand that. What being in coherence means.

Victoria Petrovsky: 48:10

Mm-Hmm?

Jorge Patrono: 48:12

The main thing for me is that you are in coherence. You are in theta, Which is between four and eight hertz Of your brainwaves? of your brainwaves. Now, theta is the best state of your brain and your heart to send the signal to the quantum field

Victoria Petrovsky: 48:33

And theta's that place in between being completely conscious and alert and that deep sleep. So it's kind of like that place of lucidity as you're falling asleep or going into a hypnosis or, Mm-Hmm.

Clifton Smith: 48:47

Or just waking

Jorge Patrono: 48:48

But induced by yourself consciously.

Victoria Petrovsky: 48:50

Yeah consciously. ExActly.

Jorge Patrono: 48:52

NOw what? You can use that, and it's related to the circadian rhythm the thing is this between three 30 and four o'clock in the morning, that's the frequency that matches.

Victoria Petrovsky: 49:04

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 49:06

The theta wave because it between three 30 and four, the circadian rhythm is the, is the surface of, it's not deep sleep, it's surface of the sleep. You are sleeping, but you are receiving yes. and that's when you are in that state. You wake up if you write, I mean if you ask the right question The night before you go to sleep, you go into coherence and then you ask the right question that you really need to, you know, an answer for example, how can I do something? What can I do to fix something? No. Why is this happening always to me that's an, it's a question that has an end in itself. Whatever I tell you doesn't mean anything. Oh, because this is okay. Yeah. But you are supporting the idea of something bad instead of looking for a solution. So those are two different ways to, of using

Victoria Petrovsky: 50:01

a solution based question.

Jorge Patrono: 50:05

It has to be an open question that you need, that you are looking for an answer. How can I, what can I do? Open questions that need an answer. So when you do that, the quantum field has no way not to give you that information back because it's a radio station and those are the big radio station. The quantum field has all frequencies, okay? Every frequency is Every radio station you can ever think of. the biggest, but you are choosing the frequency. You are sending the frequency that you want to tune in. So where's luck? Where's luck? It doesn't exist. It's always you, consciously or unconsciously. Okay? There's no other way when you see that, well, now I'm driving my vehicle. No, nobody else is driving my vehicle. I'm driving

Victoria Petrovsky: 51:03

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 51:04

Because actually that's what it is. And another thing that I tell people, because I believe that everybody think about disease in a way that is a victim You're not a victim of anything. You're a creator. Always consciously or unconsciously. If you can have cancer, unless it's something genetically created, because you had, hereditary, you have some chromosome, which is very, very rare based on Bruce Lipton's biology uh course he's talking about five diseases that are related to the chromosomes and the genetic information. Everything else is cultural. So the thing is, japanese have different diseases than Americans and than Argentinians. Why? Well, because information is different when you grew up and those create different chemical reactions and those create different diseases. We also have to talk about nutrition and all that stuff. But the main thing is the culture. What we call culture is the information that you got from since you were born until the seven years of life. That information gives you, the platform where you're going to be standing up and creating your life.

Victoria Petrovsky: 52:15

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 52:16

Now, is that good or bad? Can you change it? Yes, you can change it. I change it. I already did when I was more than 30 years old

Victoria Petrovsky: 52:24

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 52:24

It takes time, but at first it takes awareness because if you don't know what to change, you cannot change anything.

Victoria Petrovsky: 52:34

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 52:35

First, you have to understand what wrong, that you are using that. tHat is not good for you. Understand that you are addicted to that chemical, those chemical reactions, and then change the source. Now the problem that we have right now, that very few work with cause and everybody's working with effects.

Victoria Petrovsky: 52:56

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 52:58

When we talk about frequency, we talk about cause and when we talk about disease, we talk about effect. The only way to change the effect is changing the cause. Now how good is, how strong is that idea it's, it's everything. When I talked to Anita Moorjani and she had a terminal cancer it was lymph Hodgkin lymphoma, uh, level four, and she was 36 years old with tumors in the whole body, the size of lemons, and two lacerations here with puss coming out of it they couldn't fix. And I saw the scars. When she went into coma for 36 hours and went out of the body and she had a bad relationship with the father and all this stuff, and she talked to her father that died a couple of years ago before, and she was excused about all the things that she felt guilty about because guilt is one of the worst frequency you can feel. Okay. Guilt and shame,

Victoria Petrovsky: 53:57

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 53:58

those are the worst. They destroy you completely because they get, they create chemicals that are really the worst for you. When she got the idea that she was no longer a bad person,

Victoria Petrovsky: 54:13

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 54:15

she came back to the body

Victoria Petrovsky: 54:16

Wow.

Jorge Patrono: 54:16

and she said, I'm cured. Two months later, she has nothing.

Victoria Petrovsky: 54:20

Wow. Is this woman somebody you worked with or interviewed? Jorge.

Jorge Patrono: 54:24

It's in my documentary.

Victoria Petrovsky: 54:26

Ah which documentary is that one? Your Life, Your Creation Oh Amazing.

Jorge Patrono: 54:30

Yeah. Anita Moorjani is there and she talk about that. And when she talk about that, I say, wow, this is epigenetics. The, the best example, because actually that's what epigenetics means, that you changed the genetic expression based on your emotions and the chemical reactions of your emotions. So everything, again, everything related to love will give you the chemicals that your body needs to nurture the whole system. Everything related to fear. And I told you, guilt and shame

Victoria Petrovsky: 55:03

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 55:03

Grades of fear. Those kill you if you keep them for many, many years. Now, do you know people. I imagine that, people that use, I came here like 36 years ago. I go back to Argentina and I see friends of mine, that are my age from school, we were in, in school, and I can see that they're exactly the same and repeating the same things, they have the same diseases and they go through the same problems and they don't even know why.

Victoria Petrovsky: 55:35

Mm-Hmm. they don't even realize same, sometimes they don't even recognize the pattern.

Jorge Patrono: 55:41

I, and they look at me and say they don't understand, because actually, yeah, I'm no longer that person,

Victoria Petrovsky: 55:46

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 55:47

the person that they knew when we were kids, or when we were adults already. I'm completely different. And they ask me questions, and then I start explaining things. Some things they cannot understand because the only way, when you have this, when your life is so intense with these traumas. Like it happens to me. The only way, or the fastest way, or the best way to stop that, those chemical reactions, those habits is going far away from where you were born. Just change the culture. Just go somewhere else. Okay. It's not easy, but that's a very helpful thing. It's helpful like crazy because actually you don't have to try to change the society where you are in. You just move yourself to another place that you feel better

Clifton Smith: 56:39

Yeah. It's like the analogy of the fishbowl, right? Like you have a sick fish. You don't try to treat the fish, you change the water, right? So you change the environment that the person is in who's sick?

Victoria Petrovsky: 56:52

Because that environment isn't conducive for them for the fish.

Jorge Patrono: 56:56

yeah. So when you do that, When you do that, you are open to new things.

Victoria Petrovsky: 57:02

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 57:02

That if you stay in the same place, those things are not coming to you. There's no way. I mean, you are gonna be there forever, and you are gonna die the same way. There's no question about that. And you're gonna be so sick. So sick. And that's another thing that that hits me. When I started learning about Kriya yoga. If you went to the lake shrine you saw, uh, there's a gift shop, and there are, there's a little behind the gift shop. There's a lot of pictures and things that were from Paramahansa Yogananda and also there's a picture when he died. I don't know if you know that the coffin was open for 28 days and he didn't spoil, and you can see that, and it's, it is registered, in different articles and in, in major World Book Records. yeah, no, papers, so the thing is this, when I read autography of a Yogi It show, it's talking about when he said to the disciples from this Samadhi, I'm not coming back. He was not sick. He knew that his mission in this world, the third dimension was already done. Now, in order for you to know that you have to be in a frequency for a long time Mm-Hmm. understanding why you're And the moment that you achieve whatever you have to achieve, you said, no more of this because I don't need it anymore.

Victoria Petrovsky: 58:30

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 58:31

So he said, from this Samadhi, this deep meditation, I'm not coming back. And everybody was crying. And he said, no, don't cry. You keep going with my work. You already have everything you don't need me

Victoria Petrovsky: 58:43

anymore. Mm-Hmm. I'm not coming back because you don't need me and I don't want to be here anymore. Now when I analyzed the way my parents and, my friend's parents and everybody that I know left the body, it was not like that. It was always with a sickness that it was terminal unless it was an accident. Okay. But if it's not an accident, it's always because there's some kind of sickness. Very, very few just die because of old age and the heart stop, working usually it is a major disease. And when you die that way, you die in a different. State of mind and a state of heart. For example, when I was working with the veterans and frequencies, they told me that veterans leave the body in? A panic attack. Especially when they are religious and they killed people in the world. The guy that came to see me was 80 something, and he was in every war from the first World war to, to the, Afghanistan, war, everything. And he said to me, these people when they died, they are 90, around 90 years old. They grab, the bed. They don't want to leave their body because they think they're going to hell. So we were using different frequencies and some of them, could leave the body in a completely different state, more calm, like 80% less fear, all that stuff. So when you see that, you say, wow, man, this information, is so different than how Paramahansa Yogananda left the body. He's completely different and he's a human being like any of us. So there's something that he knows that we don't know. And my parents, left the body the same way. Suffering like crazy. Completely. Sick. my Father had cancer, my mother had a stroke, and and they left the body because they were trapped in a body that didn't work anymore, but their mind still was here, and was grabbing the body like, no, I don't want to leave. So for me, that was a major lesson. So what I'm doing right now. Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 1:00:48

It's understanding why am I here right now? Well, okay, stop looking out there. Go inside and see, okay, what can you do You know, right now we as a species we are in a chaotic state, and we don't know what's going to happen. You know, with AI and all this stuff that is going on all this stuff, we don't even know what's going to happen with the human being. So we have to go back to the individual and from inside out, emanate the frequency that we want to To bring into our present moment. And through the example, some people come and ask you question, oh, you are different. I see you and I see that I feel something different from you. So some people will come and they will be, okay. I want to do whatever you're doing. And I can see that as part of the change, otherwise, there's I mean, you cannot force anybody to change. That's not your mission. That's not your function. And when you do that, the only thing you create is hatred, towards you. That's my experience.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:01:48

So Jorge, tying together, what about what you're sharing about current events and the work that you're doing, what would you say is your personal mission?

Jorge Patrono: 1:01:57

now I'm concentrated on energy vibration and frequencies because actually I believe it's all There is, there's nothing else. Everything else is a representation of that. We see and we touch, and this is very convincing because our five senses are so limited that this is the only thing that they can understand.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:02:15

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 1:02:16

And that's experience that we have in this third dimension. Now, if we believe that this is the only thing that exists, well, our life is gonna be very, very narrow and, very constricted.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:02:30

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 1:02:31

Now, if we understand that we are beyond the vehicle, because the vehicle, another thing that I understood, a couple of years ago is the vehicle is giving me an, an experience. wHen I go into, when I drive my car, it gives me the experience from going from point A to point B. The body is exactly the same thing. The one that is driving the body is the spiritual being inside that is the driver. Now the driver, the only thing that can choose is what experience do I want to have In any moment? Okay, is really this experience that I want, or I want feel love, or I want to feel creative. I want to do the good things. I want to see that other people can grow and flourish in anything that they want to do. So that is my purpose right now, to bring All this information into daily life of everybody. And I want to do a series of, a documentary is a six episodes about energy, vibration, and frequency because it's a lot of information and you have so many, I mean, you have live frequencies, scalar energy have Rife, you have, sounds, you have so many things. So if you do one documentary, it was, it's gonna be three, four hours. So the only way that I see it is in episodes, and focus more into, for example, the energy of food. The energy of thoughts, the energy of the microbiome, the energy of the s scaler energy the torus energy. Everything has some kind of Mm-Hmm. function in the way we live. And if you want, we understand which one works when, and we use. The way that we should, and that should be taught in school, but it's not. So we should have grow up with that information. But we don't have that information. And so you have to look for it. Now, a lot of people, because of the chaos and the entropy that we are living in, because it's huge, a lot of people are opening their minds and looking for more information. So the thing is that is creating a lot of questions now that before nobody was asking, and you can see that everywhere

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:04:45

a lot of people are waking up People that I had didn't think would wake up. You start the path a few years in and then other people start to join you and you're like, oh, wow. This one is understanding and this one is seeing the big picture. Sometimes it's like, oh, cool.

Jorge Patrono: 1:05:00

Yeah. So now when you send frequencies, you feel something different. And that feeling, when it's working together in coherence, it gives you more power. And that's bottom line. You know, bottom line. Now, music for example, when you talk about music, there's all other things that you can do. I mean, music and a 440, that's the music that we are listening. Well, let's start working with a 4 32.

Clifton Smith: 1:05:27

Yeah. And there's so many, there's so many solutions, and you're such a wealth of knowledge. Jorge and we're moving towards the final part of this episode, and it sounds like there'll be many more with you because you just have so much wisdom that is just pouring out and. Yeah. A four part series. Right. And you kept talking about the vibration. The vibration, and there's so much preparation that needs to happen before we can actually dive into the vibration. I want to just sort what you're working on with vibration as we wrap up so that way we can pick up where we left off in our next episode. But we've covered so much. I feel like this was like a masterclass in and of itself of, decades of long work it's been amazing to listen to and be a part of.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:06:18

Yeah.

Jorge Patrono: 1:06:20

Well, thank you. Thank you so much. I mean, it is a huge topic. Okay. A human being is a huge topic, and reality is a huge topic. And frequencies is what creates this that we experience as our life, as our reality. And as. One of the things that is always hitting me is I don't want to live something that is not that it hasn't had a purpose. Okay? It has to have a purpose.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:06:50

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 1:06:51

And whatever I'm doing right now, it has a purpose, and the purpose is, first of all, is to improve my own life. When I see that my life is changing in a positive way, then I put it outside, for other people to, see it, experiment with it and use it. Or not, whatever is, independent, free will is something that all everybody has and free will is part of the equation. You cannot force anybody into anything.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:07:18

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 1:07:18

Now you can show things and that's what I'm doing, we have a lot of different technologies that now allows us to see the results. Mm-Hmm. Before it was just word of mouth or we depended on somebody else, telling us I'm against the diagnostic. actually right now anything that you can diagnose is almost anything you can change it. So diagnostics, as Bruce Lipton said, usually it's a sentence.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:07:50

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 1:07:51

And I remember talking to Wayne Dyer two months before he died and he mentioned a friend of his that was diagnosed with cancer terminal cancer uh lung cancer. And he says, you have six months to live. Six months later, he died.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:08:08

Wow.

Jorge Patrono: 1:08:10

His wife went to the office, take, took everything from the office and found Another X-Ray from 30 years ago with the same The same darkness in the same place in the lungs 30 years ago, but nobody gave him any sentence of the diagnostic of six months of living time.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:08:34

Wow.

Jorge Patrono: 1:08:35

So what happened with that? When you get that information, which is very strong, and you believe on that, you die in six months Because actually your body is creating everything that it needs to die in six Mm-Hmm. Now, when you don't know,

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:08:52

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 1:08:52

you keep doing your life, living your

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:08:55

Mm-Hmm.

Jorge Patrono: 1:08:56

Now, another thing that is interesting, and this and Joe DIspenza talks about this when you laugh for one hour, 500 genes that work against cancer are activated. So in my car, I have Sirius XM and I have four different jokes, radio stations, and when I drive, I laugh That's awesome. because actually I know that I am activating things that I need from my genetic

Clifton Smith: 1:09:28

Wow.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:09:28

Yeah.

Jorge Patrono: 1:09:29

my genetic expression. And that's epigenetics at the at the maximum level Wow. Okay.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:09:34

See Clifton. That's why we liked watching Beverly Hillbillies before bed for an hour.

Clifton Smith: 1:09:39

just laughing. We, got, we went everywhere and it back to enjoying life and laughing and their science and cutting edge innovation coming through Jorge. So where can listeners catch a glimpse of what you're working on, catch a glimpse of your projects and get ahold of you.

Jorge Patrono: 1:09:58

yourlifeyourcreation.com is a documentary and there's a lot of information there. And then yournewhealing.com is where I talk about the four principle things that I'm using. I mentioned before, bioBiowell, structured, water Heart math and Earthing is also important because we have a lot of frequencies that are very bad for us and we have to be in touch with the earth so we can discharge that. And a lot of people don't discharge anything for years when they live in an apartment building and then they use sneakers and, rubber soles and then that kind of stuff. The soles that are rubber. It keeps you completely separated from the ground. And we need to be grounded. So, those are things that are very simple and actually make a big difference, not only in the health of the person, but also in the quality of life. Okay? And also understand that the quality of our life is also based on the quality of our questions. What do we question ourselves every day? What are the questions?

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:10:55

Mm-Hmm?

Jorge Patrono: 1:10:56

I'm always a victim and saying, why is this happening always to me? well, there's something that you have to, that it's a polarity that you're sending out, then you're gonna bring the same thing. And it, it's a matter of fact that if you you don't change yourself. The next one is gonna be worse because it's a lesson you are learning. Something that you are not learning. Unlearning actually. It should be learned, but you are not learning. So the next one, if you get rid of this, which is teacher, the next one is gonna be worse than this one,

Clifton Smith: 1:11:23

Yeah. Change your life, change your questions. I love it. And Jorge, it's been such pleasure here. I know we could go on for hours more. We're definitely gonna have you back on again. We're gonna dive deep into vibration. I think we've laid the foundation for it. I don't know, maybe we'll go deep into some other areas of your journey to set that frame. And I'm so excited that you're working on this project because you have such wealth of knowledge and such great backing and foundation and science. You live and breathe it. It is your business based business. You work in the quantum, you are a quantum preneur. And your passion yeah. And so we are so grateful to share this time with you and we'll catch you all in our next episode. But for now, I'm Clifton.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:12:10

And I'm Victoria, and together we're faces of the future. We'll drop the links to all the projects Jorge has talked about in the show notes below, and what is a way that listeners can reach out to you personally? Jorge.

Jorge Patrono: 1:12:25

Well, my email is Jorge Patrono. you know, my name@hotmail.com and also I have a WhatsApp, which is plus 1 8 1 8 6 0 1 3 7 1 9. I'm open to receive any information from anybody that has a

Clifton Smith: 1:12:41

Beautiful.

Victoria Petrovsky: 1:12:44

Amazing. Well, thank you so much for joining us today and thank you for tuning in, and we'll talk to you all next time.