Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome back to the startup of human potential. We're your co-hosts.

Speaker 2: 0:04

I'm Clifton.

Speaker 1: 0:05

And I'm Victoria.

Speaker 2: 0:07

And together we are Faces of the Future. We have an awesome guest of ours, coleman Victoria. Would you do the honors of introducing Coleman?

Speaker 1: 0:17

Absolutely so. Coleman defines himself as a Californian who grew up in the epicenter of the illusion, saturated by media, the entertainment industry, and he got to see a lot which has broadened his deep perspective on the music and film industries and how media programs people. He wants to create a program that's more meaningful, resourceful and useful for people. With this deep wisdom, he was the frontman, writer and producer of the futuristic indie alternative pop rock band Coast Modern, which did five national tours, half a billion streams. A huge fan of nature and defines everything as being natural and miraculous.

Speaker 2: 1:02

And of course his accolades go far beyond that. But, as typical high performers go, there is a beautiful, authentic humility to Coleman and his focus is not on his achievements of the past but, on what he's currently passionately involved in in the present. So grateful to have you on, coleman. Thank you.

Speaker 4: 1:24

I'm grateful to be here.

Speaker 1: 1:28

Awesome. So you know we can go many different ways in this conversation because you're so multi talented, so tapped in with your musical backgrounds, with your interest in AI and futuristic technologies. Where do you want to start, coleman?

Speaker 4: 1:48

That's a good question. I kind of circle back to what the purpose of art is traditionally. Why were artists necessary? Why did Da Vinci get so much resource from the state and that drive to find solutions, inventive things? That was an artistic drive at one point. It wasn't just about self expression, you know, and so my interest in technology of the future also connects to my respect for the deep thinkers of the past as well. I just love dipping into ancient language, ancient thought, and if time is more circular than we think it is, then a lot of the answers to future technology will be encoded in the past. Try and take that holistic approach.

Speaker 1: 2:44

Amazing. Yeah, I love that you mentioned Leonardo da Vinci, because many people know him as the artist, but he's also a mathematician and inventor and really balanced in his left and right brain. Genius is what I would say.

Speaker 4: 3:02

I would say he was much more of a scientist. He only did 10 paintings. He would get an atronage and then not even finished paintings, because what he wanted to do is study nature.

Speaker 4: 3:12

He would just sit and stare at water at ease in the way smoke moved, in the way light played against walls, and he had such a deep understanding of nature that art flowed out of that. It was an overflowing of his understanding of nature. Yeah, when a lot of modern artists will only focus on art and then they're trying to squeeze water out of a rock. Because what does art flow out of? Yeah, da Vinci is a great example. He's the OG, the goat.

Speaker 2: 3:40

What you can tell right away is the depth of Coleman's perspective, that he uses art and other modalities like technology to be an expression of and we talk all around consciousness and being at the forefront of emerging consciousness, emerging technologies. And Coleman, just in the first question, he just brought in all of history and all of nature in your consideration. I think that's amazing, thank you.

Speaker 1: 4:10

Yeah, it really ties into what you said about not believing so much in spirituality we were talking offline about that but about how nature and everything is just natural. It just is. It's a creation of consciousness, for sure.

Speaker 4: 4:28

Yeah, I think it's resourceful not to separate the world into material when that's really a perspective. The universe is miraculous. It just depends on your threshold for the miraculous right. It's like something awesome happens to you. You feel great that day and then the next day the threshold has risen back up and things that wonderful to you aren't wonderful anymore Maybe not to y'all, but to a lot of people. And yeah, that's how I look at it.

Speaker 2: 4:59

Were you always this contemplative as a child and growing up?

Speaker 4: 5:04

Yes, as a small child. But yeah, I had a rough go of it just with you know education system, my way of thinking fitting into that, and I kind of lost touch with who I was from the ages of maybe nine to all the way through high school. I was always in the disciplinarians office, that curious mind I have. It didn't do great in the classroom, like I would be up out of my seat walking around talking to the kids and I always had good relationships with the teachers, but it was like you're not going with the program. So I really muted that. I really muted it and it wasn't.

Speaker 4: 5:48

Yeah, and I got into some addictions. I became very addicted to substances and activities that made me feel at peace on earth. Because I was not at peace, I wasn't at peace in my own skin. Yeah, I had lost touch with reality. 25 or 26,. I had a series of breakthroughs. It was grace, it was fortune. They kind of woke me back up to this curiosity, this mindfulness, and, yeah, now I just hold on to it as tight as I can because I don't want to go back to a state that's disconnected and I want to help anybody who I can to get out of a disconnected state.

Speaker 1: 6:32

Wow, there's so much there in what you just said. You describe yourself as that disruptive youth not fitting into the mold of society, and I think you use the words going against the program, that you weren't in the program. A lot of times people fall to addictions because they want to get out of a program and see something else, see the other side, and I'm curious, after your experiences with that, what were some of those awakening moments that brought you back, that made you feel that connectedness that you're just talking about, how it's like it happens from disconnection?

Speaker 4: 7:10

Yeah. So it was a number of things at once. One of them was a relationship where I felt love for the first time, and it wasn't how I expected. It didn't come from the place I expected it to. So that care that my partner had for me started to loosen up some of my beliefs. It's interesting because even in my darkest times, I had this like intuition about the distant future that I would be okay, like this little light at the end of the tunnel.

Speaker 4: 7:41

But it was so faint, and so this relationship really started to light that up. I joined an accountability team where individuals would hold me accountable to commitments I made, which was very resourceful for me. I discovered vipassana meditation through a book called Mindfulness in Plain English. That had a huge effect on me, and around that time I signed a record deal and so that kind of went against my narratives Right, and so growing up I didn't know anybody in the music industry, and so I was always like how am I going to make it in the super competitive industry? Around 27, when I signed my first record deal, I had been trying to make it in the music industry for a decade at that point, and so that challenged my narrative of like, oh, I'm just going to be one of the many unknown musicians. Those are a few things that just kind of all happened around the same time. That started this momentum towards rewriting the program.

Speaker 1: 8:41

How did that happen? That opportunity that came after 10 years of wanting to make it in the music industry.

Speaker 4: 8:48

So I was already working with people who were successful in the music industry at this point and they were like, just wait, like you're going to be okay, just be patient. But I was working for free, I was making EPs and producing people for free and I gave up. I moved to Denver. I just wanted to be regular. I worked at a music store, in a chicken wing restaurant. Then I got an email from my writing partner and he said hey, there's a record label that wants to sign us and it's interesting. We put our music online, not for anybody to discover, but so that if, like a producer on a TV show, you know, like pitching music for sync and TV, like so we would have a link for them to click. And the person from the record label who found the music said that the graphic design was so bad that they knew that hiding. They knew that. Yeah, that's how that happened.

Speaker 1: 9:47

Wow, it was so cool. I didn't know that was the thing. The graphic design has to be so bad, like oh, they're hiding their genius, or it looks amazing. They must be like polished and ready or something. Two extremes, very cool. Wow, I didn't know that story. I know Clifton and I know Coleman for a few years now and we don't know a lot of your stories and I'm excited that you get to share them here.

Speaker 4: 10:13

Thank you, you too.

Speaker 2: 10:15

Yeah, and I just want to present the pace and energy of this episode and pause for a moment and reflect that. Our listeners know that Victoria and I are projectors and Coleman also is a projector. So one of the things we like to present to our listeners is just getting that understanding, that natural ability to sense what kind of energy certain people have. Some of our previous guests were manifesting generators or generators.

Speaker 1: 10:47

Jen was a projector.

Speaker 2: 10:48

Yes, Jen was a projector. So, just that the depth of what happens when you have three projectors come together to talk about very broad topics such as art and creation, and so we're going to dive a little deeper in that, and then we're going to hopefully keep you all engaged with some specific questions around what Coleman is working on. Now to dive deep into today's topic, coleman, what was the aspect or area that you wanted to explore?

Speaker 4: 11:25

One thing that's been inspiring me a lot is the conversation about addiction, because it connects to so many other things. It connects to feeling like you belong here, being at peace in your skin, being productive, living in your purpose. Over the last year I've gotten to spend a lot of time counseling and facilitating group discussion and rehab centers and have gotten a lot of perspective from that and also with my past. I have an addictive personality, I'm very impulsive, so it's a topic that's dear to my heart. Yeah, I feel like that's resourceful topic because we're all addicted to something. I don't know if I can say that broadly, but maybe I can. Maybe there's always something that we can loosen the bonds of and be more productive, happier.

Speaker 1: 12:18

So and addiction is such a broad topic. It's not just substances. People can be addicted to it's. I think you mentioned, when we were talking before Coleman, that fasting is something you can be addicted to. You can be addicted to even a surge of chemicals in the body, because what does that addiction do for people that hit of a substance or whatever the action is that someone is addicted to, there's a surge of chemicals surging through the body, neurotransmitters, dopamine and serotonin.

Speaker 2: 12:51

So you can be addicted to emotions. You can be addicted to going to the gym.

Speaker 2: 12:55

Yeah, all different forms of addiction, and I think one of the powerful aspects of this conversation, coleman, is your unique perspective of going through it yourself and then also helping others, and I'd love to explore that. What are some experiences you've had directly that you see in others, that you're able to relate to them or see yourself in them? How do you help an individual or how do you show up to be of help and to be of service for them?

Speaker 4: 13:29

That's a good question. I lucked out that I was not exposed to hard drugs, because if I had been exposed to hard drugs, my life would have been very different. And when I say hard drugs, I mean the hardest of drugs, not like party drugs that you can get in LA, but the hardest of drugs are the kinds of things that are at these rehab centers. People are dropping like flies from fin all they say. It's the equivalent of like a 747 every day, papal passing. And so how I relate to them is with humility, because I have not had the depth of experience that they've had.

Speaker 4: 14:04

Some of the people in these facilities have been using since childhood because their family dealers the families were cooking it up and they don't know any different right. It's like somebody could be a user and their parents be disappointed in them. That's one story, but another story is their parents are enabling them and that's what your family does and that's what your whole city does. And rehabs are making money off of addiction. Pharmaceutical companies are making money off of addiction. Justice department is making money off of addiction. Cartels are making money off of addiction. So it's not even just a conversation about the substances, it's a conversation about powers, authorities, like entire organizations. If people can manifest, are there corporations and companies and whole parts of society that are manifesting this epidemic? So it's deep. When I'm in there I'm like I have insight for these individuals because I've found freedom and because I know that they can have freedom, but I'm grateful that I haven't experienced the depth of addiction that they have. At the same time.

Speaker 1: 15:15

Wow, do most of the people that you work with know what you just shared about the various industries like pharma and cartels and all the stakeholders that benefit from this kind of economy?

Speaker 4: 15:30

I bring it up sometimes, depending on the group, because it's important. There's a lot of self-deprecation, beating yourself up for relapsing and stuff, but that's still like the thing that keeps the addiction in play is that isolation. I think the conversation of addiction and energy efficiency are very closely related, and your energy efficiency goes up when you start collaborating with people and creating networks, and so that's why networking is such a big part of recovery. Like AA is an amazing organization, because AA there's no governing authority. It's all these little satellite groups and they've perpetuated for decades. That's pretty awesome. It means they're doing something right. People are in recovery as a team and then they relapse solo and beat themselves up about it.

Speaker 4: 16:24

I'm like you have to keep into consideration the number of people who want to keep those people addicted. It's a real thing. It's a huge network. I mean I said it earlier even the rehab center that they're in is profiting off of it. I know certain rehab centers are incentivized to put people on prescriptions like Suboxone blocks, opioid receptors, and they'll push this on somebody who's not even addicted to opioids. I've seen clients get really angry about that, like you brought me in here and tried to put me on an opioid suppressant which could have gotten me addicted to opiates, and I didn't even come in for opiates. So and these are even the better of rehab centers there's certain rehabs that don't even exist. They pay you to come out and they give you drugs just to say that you're in recovery. Yeah, it's a big thing. The other thing about relapse which is sad is people feel like they're starting over, like they're starting from zero. They just lost all their progress, not realizing that every moment you have sober, you're building those neural pathways.

Speaker 4: 17:26

One relapse is not gonna undo all that. So all that to say. Your question was do I bring up this bigger picture about recovery? Sometimes I do, depending on your posture. Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1: 17:42

I haven't actually thought about that other layer that you just mentioned, about how they profit off of the solution as well. So the economy as a whole profits from the problem and then you're giving them the solution, which also puts money back into those industries.

Speaker 4: 17:57

Yeah, including prison, all that. Those are private as well.

Speaker 1: 18:01

Yeah, I knew about the prison system, but about the rehab system. I haven't gone there yet, I haven't gone to that narrative yet. So I appreciate that. Of course.

Speaker 2: 18:14

Yeah, and it's very interesting that we're talking about addiction, because we've had two other guests whose parents actually had addiction issues. So if you haven't checked out our episode with Frank Waters or with Ellie Rollins, they both grew up in households or single mother households where there was addiction and hearing their stories of how they were able to move through that and create their life of joy and what they're creating.

Speaker 2: 18:46

And so how do you? Obviously there are these narratives of the money making industries, but how do you observe beneficial intentions of these places? If we could talk about that for a second. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4: 19:04

Yeah, I mean it's a mixed bag. You definitely hear firsthand from the clients that there are people at the decenters that they are really grateful for. They're definitely pushing, Pushing the needle. I don't know if rehab is the solution, though. I don't know if that's the in-game. I don't know if that is the future of recovery. I think that there's cure on the horizon. I think that there's a paradigm shift that could make addiction of that degree of hard drugs a thing of the past.

Speaker 1: 19:39

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'd love to talk about that more, Coleman, and I love what you said earlier about building new neural pathways. Every time somebody has a streak of sobriety and then they relapse. So they might be in that thinking, feeling loop of shame or guilt that comes up for having done that, but then, as they're breaking through that site, they're still building the neural pathways of like, hey, I did this for 75 days last time, Next time I can do this for 180 days. Right, and what is kind of that core root pattern and I'm sure many people have different ones of why people would want to be addicted to something and what's that thing that you see that they actually want, that they think that addiction provides them? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4: 20:27

That's totally so. I think what people want is to be lit up. I think they want to be electrified. Mm-hmm. I think that, and you know, this is just my belief. It's not capital T, true, but I think that the human is designed with seven distinct energy centers that have a unique type of energy, right Like you wouldn't put raw petrol in a Lamborghini. So it's not just about energy, it's about the type of energy. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4: 21:03

And I think that's really important. I think that's a distinction that people miss because, let's say, your Lamborghini breaks down. Okay, this is a very, very fine-tuned machine, okay, but you might find yourself pushing it if it breaks down, which is still an energy source. It's just a very crude energy source compared to what the Lamborghini is meant for. So, when acute trauma takes place to the human species, I'm trying to use, like technical, a person, a people, their ideal energy source. They might not have access to it, so they might have to push it, and I think that could start with a shot of tequila and turn into heroin over the course of a decade. It could also be seeking flattery. It could be going to websites that don't support your relationships.

Speaker 4: 22:05

There's all kinds of ways that people could try and fuel their Lamborghini, which is their body, and I think that's a good analogy, because the human being, the design of the human being, is just miraculous. It's like one of the most intricate things on the whole planet. Your ability to access energy has to do with your models, models of the world, if you believe that you can tap into, like capital E energy source, energy that's going to change the way you live. It's going to change the way you seek energy right, and each one of these seven centers that I'm talking about, that distinct flavor of energy like self-expression, creativity, forgiveness, empowerment, connection to the divine wisdom, knowledge, intimacy, groundedness, those pure sources of energy have their flip side. So I need your help, because that was a lot of info.

Speaker 2: 23:01

That's beautiful, coleman, and we're tracking with you because we've studied the works of people like Dr Joe Dispenza, who has practices of blessing in the energy centers, which are each one of the seven centers that some people call chakras. He uses just the organ centers and the culmination of a lot of the fascia and nervous system throughout the body. What are you seeing in terms of the depletion or what these individuals who have addictions, what are they short of?

Speaker 4: 23:36

It's the opposite. I think that they have a surplus. I think that they're people who are born with the ability to channel more energy. That doesn't mean better, it's just more. And so I think they desire more extreme situations, right? Like when I would get high. I only wanted to get so high. I could get too high and be like, wow, that was a little intense, right? These people, they want more, they want to go faster, they want to feel more intense, right? So they have a higher threshold and it has to do with their purpose. It also has to do with their individual design, right?

Speaker 4: 24:14

If you're a child who's born with extra intuition, extra energy, extra libido, then if you have a trauma that shuts that down, to feel normal, you're going to need more than someone else, right? Someone else who suffered trauma. They might just need a support group and they're fine. They might not go for more, some of these more intense things that make them feel like they're flying a thousand miles an hour through space. So if I do a group meditation with people who are not in recovery, just regular folks, the energy reaches a certain intensity, right. If you do that same meditation with people in recovery, it will feel like the walls are going to blow off, wow, in that room, and that was something enlightening for me. Let's say, you took a bunch of people in recovery. If they had victory right, if they had success, the world would change.

Speaker 2: 25:12

Hold on right there, coleman, because you're laying gems one sentence after the other. So just to present it, you're saying that when you do group meditations it feels electrifying because these are individuals who have a higher capacity to connect to this kind of energy. That's your direct experience.

Speaker 1: 25:33

Yeah, you're going to get amplitude.

Speaker 4: 25:36

right yeah, Not quality, but amplitude. Wow.

Speaker 2: 25:39

Amplitude, wow, okay, and so we also talked about societal design and your own self in school, where the education system is waking up to it. Sitting in a chair for a child for six hours a day is not healthy, right? So is there some aspect of societal design that can support these higher amplitude individuals? To achieve that level of fulfillment or connection.

Speaker 4: 26:14

Absolutely. I think the answer is societal. I think when society makes room for these kind of people, so like, let's say, your heart center, your heart chakra, let's say that your heart has eyes okay, and just like, eyes can open to light, that's energy entering okay. So let's say, your eyes are opening to the light when you wake up in the morning and the light is bright, you don't want to open your eyes all the way, right, because it hurts. I think this is exactly what anxiety is it's the eyes of the heart that are trying to open up, but the light is painful. So if I had a high amplitude energy coming out of my heart okay, and you did not want your heart to be opened because it hurt too bad, someone told you it was anxiety and said you weren't supposed to feel that way, right, you might push me away, you might discredit me, you might create a legislature that keeps me in the dark. So I think that's exactly what this is.

Speaker 4: 27:13

I think society is not ready to be activated in this way, so the people who could activate them are put in. A lot of this is subconscious. Almost everything I'm talking about is subconscious If you're talking about just a regular person and there are seven energy centers. Like Clifton was talking about society more in general, every one of these seven is being fed by some kind of subpar energy source. That is the global economy.

Speaker 2: 27:44

Hold on right there. That's another statement and it's beautiful diving into these and we're going to keep getting a little bit deeper for a few more minutes, folks, so stay with us, but we're tracking with you, coleman. So can you explain or give examples of what you mean by subpar energy source for each one of these seven energy centers.

Speaker 4: 28:06

So if you could sit and pull in energy into these centers just by being, just by sitting there and being, that would be ideal. It might not just be meditation. There could be something futuristic that we haven't tapped into, or something really awesome is entering into these centers.

Speaker 2: 28:24

Like a futuristic passion technology Coleman's talking about here.

Speaker 4: 28:28

I've experienced this firsthand and it's wonderful. Sometimes it feels like drugs, but not always, but sometimes it does. So. Food is solar power. On a scientific level, that's what it is. Solar energy hits the earth because of the second law of thermodynamics, actually, let me say, because nature abhors a gradient. It means that this is like and I'm going to connect this to your question, I'm going to make it simple Energy can't just collect somewhere. The universe, based on thermodynamics, wants to equalize energy. It wants to make a homogenous right. So solar energy is beating the earth. It needs to be expressed in some way, and it's expressed as plant matter, it's expressed as animals, it's expressed as ecosystems right, wow, that's deep. Yeah, fruit is the fruit of that ecosystem, the food we eat, and some people eat animals, and those animals ate plants. What about?

Speaker 1: 29:31

lab made food chemical food?

Speaker 4: 29:34

Well, it comes from solar Everything we have on this planet. All the petrol that makes that laboratory came from plants that were buried for millions of years. Everything comes from solar energy. When you're consuming food, you are desiring solar energy, so when you are hungry, you feel it in your solar plexus.

Speaker 2: 29:52

Oh, I need it. Are there thought leaders out here that you're pulling this from?

Speaker 4: 29:59

There's a book called Into the Cool, there's a book called Every Life is on Fire, and there's a book called the Romance of Reality. These are three books about how non-equilibrium thermodynamics create all this. Wow.

Speaker 2: 30:16

I just want to present that this is deeply researched by Coleman. It's not just pontificating, he's done his research and he goes deep. He spends years and hours diving into the weeds of the science, of the mathematics behind it. He does that for listeners, that what he's saying. There's a whole body of work that you can explore just to establish a little bit of credibility of where you're coming from. So he said the solar plexus. Yeah, you want solar energy. So you feel it in your solar plexus. Non-equilibrium thermodynamics expressed through your own experience of hunger in the solar plexus.

Speaker 2: 30:54

I think that's a powerful consolidation of macro thinking and existential observation embodied into the human vehicle. So I just want to say that was awesome.

Speaker 4: 31:05

Thank you. You could take any product and find which one of the seven centers it's feeding right. Wikipedia feeding your brain.

Speaker 1: 31:13

Agena, the sixth center, which a lot of religion does too People will want to know.

Speaker 4: 31:19

Yeah, so what was the term you used, victoria?

Speaker 1: 31:23

Oh, agena, the sixth chakra, that's like the third eye between the brows, that's the head spot where, when we're a very intellectualized society, that's where we're very dominant, the human species, as we've been talking about, used to have more of a sloped brain, or what do you call it skull, because the prefrontal cortex hadn't yet developed when we were Neanderthals and other iterations before we became Homo sapiens. And now humans have this more straight forehead because of that development of the prefrontal cortex. So it's a very developed sixth chakra, agena, and you're saying that religion also influences it, which, in my experience of diving into spirituality and consciousness, is true.

Speaker 2: 32:10

And as a society, they push certain societal religions right Are we talking about human evolution here through the lens of drug rehabilitated individuals who have a high amplitude of energy capacity. Is that where we're going with this? Because it sounds like that's where we're going with this. Are you saying that people in rehab centers might hold keys to our evolution?

Speaker 4: 32:37

Yeah, I think they're the mutants.

Speaker 1: 32:41

X-Men yeah. Wow. So what is that paradigm shift that you were talking about earlier, how there will be a time when there's no drugs and substances or addictions? What does that paradigm shift look like then? Do we have higher access to these energy centers and that energy with a capital E that you were talking about? And what is that energy? Is it source, is it love? Is it connectedness?

Speaker 4: 33:09

Yeah, what is that energy? It's a good question. Energy, you know, it's like a wave is not a thing. A wave is something that something does, like water waves, hand waves. But what is a wave?

Speaker 4: 33:24

It's like an attribute more than it's a noun, and I think both think about energy like a noun, when I think this only makes sense when you look at it as an attribute. Right? Energy is the. It's a disparity between two things. Right, it's like water flows down and so, yeah, when you ask me, what is this fuel source?

Speaker 4: 33:49

It's just the movement. It's the movement of nature and there's ways that nature prefers to move. There's a dance that it prefers to do, and if things within the universe are not doing that dance, then they'll be dissolved, and that can be taken negatively or positively, right? I don't know if you've seen the YouTube videos where people will have like 20 metronomes all ticking out of order with each other and they'll all start going at the same speed. Yeah, or you could even look at the sides of a river how they're eroded. It's like that's changed. You could see it as the death, but you could also see it as birth at the same time, and, yeah, so I wouldn't use another term to describe the energy. Like love, I feel like you know, it might be a whole other conversation about words and the power of words and how words have been co-opted, but love is definitely a difficult one.

Speaker 2: 34:45

What I'm getting from what you're sharing, coleman, which is awesome, is that it's almost to me how I'm interpreting what you say, as these individuals in rehab centers hold keys to the evolution of our society because they have a greater capacity, or a greater ability to create an amplitude, or capacity for a higher amplitude in one of the seven energy centers that they were unable to receive sustenance from society. So they turn to drug use and addiction, and so if we wanted to understand the natural evolution of where society would move towards a greater state of equilibrium, it would be to actually understand the individuals and their stories and what would bring them into equilibrium and then extrapolate that to a societal construct.

Speaker 2: 35:41

So I'm really fascinated by what you also shared about the.

Speaker 2: 35:49

There might be some futuristic technology that could help either align these individuals or provide that sustenance that they're craving or they're asking for. Do you have any insights or areas how that futuristic technology might come about, or are you just holding space for it or yet? Where are you in that? Because I want to move now towards, you know, from addiction to the conversation of technology and music, and what you're currently passionate about and I wanted to stop real quick on this one that I'm really passionate to explore is that notion of a futuristic technology that you discussed.

Speaker 4: 36:32

For sure. Yeah, just to clarify, I don't think it's one of the centers, I think it's all of them. Yeah, maybe people are gifted in one center, but I don't know. I think ideally we'd be like firing on all cylinders. As far as the futuristic technology, it's more of a software than a hardware. I don't think that it's like building something. I think it's about operating something. I think that whatever we are, we just have no idea. We have no idea what humans are or what our purpose is, and so I think that there's a software upgrade that would convert. Yeah, it's almost like if that Lambo was running off of gasoline for the last couple hundred years, but whoever invented that Lambo gave it the ability to have a software update that would allow it to run off of electricity.

Speaker 1: 37:35

Okay, so it's software for the human Right You're talking about.

Speaker 4: 37:40

Okay, yeah, that would basically reveal just an entirely new dimension of what it means to be in a body on Earth as a human.

Speaker 1: 37:51

Like activating human potential.

Speaker 4: 37:54

Yeah, and it's the paradigm shift that I'm not just talking about like an emotional shift. You know more positive. I'm talking about something that would have an effect on the whole planet plants and animals, ecosystems and society and might have consequences that are on a different time scale than we think about, like that might stretch outside of the time scale of a single human life.

Speaker 2: 38:26

Wow, that's a mouthful Okay. So, victoria, what did you get from that? And thank you, coleman, that was awesome. So I just want to take a moment, because a lot of the wisdom that you talk about, coleman, is from your thousands of hours of research and your in-depth intellect, and it might take a bit of time to digest the profoundness of what you say. So, victoria, what did you catch on that?

Speaker 1: 38:53

one Coleman's from the future.

Speaker 4: 38:57

It might also be the past, we don't know.

Speaker 1: 39:00

But it's informed by the wisdom of the past, as you mentioned before, I think, some technologies you're almost talking about. Upgrading the human into a light body is kind of how I was interpreting it.

Speaker 2: 39:14

Yeah, I was kind of getting that like the Buddhist light body activation or the rainbow body. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 39:21

That's how we are. So that's why it's a software update. It's not like, yeah, and there's a roadmap to it. And the fact that you even use the term rainbow body is perfect, because, like that's, I know that rainbow body idea is not a one-to-one relationship with what I'm about to say, but that is what the system of seven is. It is like that Rainbow body. Did you have more that you were going to say Clifton?

Speaker 2: 39:47

I was just going to say that, combining it, we also have our quantum doc, who we've interviewed and we certainly do for another interview with him. He also talks about updating the hardware and how imagine you had your first Windows 95. Try to run the most up-to-date version of Windows 11 or whatever it's at now. The hardware can't handle that software. So for some people and a lot of the high performers that we're working with, we're seeing that they need to upgrade their hardware, that being their nervous system, their reflexes, their capacity to hold the energy.

Speaker 2: 40:29

And what you're sharing is that the people that you've observed in rehab centers have the upgraded hardware and they need the upgraded software, and so I think it's a really cool combination that's tied into a concept like the rainbow body, to have a loose approximation of what we're discussing.

Speaker 4: 40:52

What you just said helped me clarify a couple things that I'll speak out now if it's a good time.

Speaker 1: 40:59

Yeah, please.

Speaker 4: 41:00

So I don't know that the people in the rehab have the hardware. I think it's more like the blueprint or a purpose. I think it's more in their purpose. Because here's the thing when you talk about upgrading your hardware, it's like what part of you is upgrading your hardware. We like to think of ourselves as individuals, but on almost every level we're made of parts, like 38 trillion cells, all of our ancestors, our community, our different body parts, the different ways we think about ourselves from day to day, different thoughts.

Speaker 4: 41:37

So it's like you can upgrade your software in one part of your body, like your brain, one part of your brain. You could upgrade the software of one part of your brain and that upgraded software in one part of your brain can start to do things that will upgrade the hardware in another part of your brain, right? So the hardware would be like the neural pathways. The software is like symbolism, it's like code. It's different, doesn't have the same type of physical manifestation, right? So I could say something to you oh, speed on ton logo, on speedy. I could speak life into you, right? Something I could inspire you in some kind of way.

Speaker 1: 42:25

What did you just say? How did you just inspire us, Coleman?

Speaker 2: 42:28

Yeah, my crown is like vibrating, my skull like Brrr, brrr, brrr. I don't even know what you said. What did you say?

Speaker 4: 42:35

I said the so or so with the word. It has to do with programming right Programming planning seeds.

Speaker 1: 42:44

Coleman, you're the first person that had me fascinated with etymology of words.

Speaker 4: 42:49

I love that. Etymology is important. So let's say there's a part of your brain that's like soil, that's ready, okay. That means the hardware's ready, right, the soil is ready, okay. So when someone inspires you, it takes root. So that means that part of your hardware just got a software upgrade, okay. And because that happened, you might realize oh, another part of my hardware, this other neural pathway, right, that applies to the body, because you have neurons through your whole body. It's like your vagus nerve needs to be toned, your gut lining needs to be healed, your fashion is connected. So it's both. It's a hardware, it's software that's updating hardware, that's telling the body where there's other hardware. You know what I mean. It's like it's this whole conversation that's happening internally and I think, yeah, with addiction it's like a hardware thing. There's nervous issues, there's neural pathway issues, there's fascial issues and it becomes compounded and so the basics are a big part of recovery. Like, what gives people a lot of progress is body work and Asian and hypnotherapy and ice baths and NAD, neural feedback, right.

Speaker 4: 44:08

That's getting the hardware there and you have to have the software coming at the same time of like hey, I love you, you're worth it, you belong here, you have a purpose. If those two things are in line and people in rehab are the edge case because they're on drugs that are incredibly addictive, I think you feel incredibly energized. But this applies to everybody, and until yeah, legislators, ceos, taste makers, when your hardware is upgraded, it feels like dying. It's the same feeling Because something is dying.

Speaker 1: 44:58

Yeah, I felt that.

Speaker 4: 45:00

So the world will resist it with all of their ego, because the ego has a purpose. It's an evolutionary purpose to keep you alive, right, it's like you can't push it down forever. You just have to replace it with something with just a bigger commitment. So this is complicated, yeah, and it's something that we're moving towards. Like nature is doing this work that I'm talking about, this futuristic technology, is a natural thing. What were you gonna say, victoria?

Speaker 1: 45:29

Oh, I was gonna say the new hardware update that we were talking about. The new neural pathway is being that identity, because Clifton and I talk a lot about identity work, the identity of a person who doesn't have that addiction, and how a part of them is dying off because it's a part of them that associates existence with this thing that's been like the bane of their existence.

Speaker 4: 45:54

Exactly yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:57

Yeah, what you're talking about. It brings that up, victoria and me as well. With our clients, we talk about identity design and redesign as the pathway towards taking quantum leaps in your own reality, and so we deal on the daily basis with ego's egoic self-defense mechanisms of high performers and be able to understand how to help them.

Speaker 2: 46:22

That software is really important. And there's also this core reflex that I didn't have integrated, that the quantum doctor, dr Brian, helped us with called the MoroReflex, which is the fight or flight reflex, and so I couldn't actually handle any form of upgrades of heightened energy and Clifton channels. Of actually changing my ego because, I would run away from it and I would do everything in my power because I didn't have the capacity to experience that kind of a transformation. I couldn't contain it within my body. And so.

Speaker 2: 47:04

I would rather physically die than to actually go through that.

Speaker 1: 47:10

Yeah, the addiction Clifton and I see the most often is addiction to the current ego in our work, which the ego can express itself in many different ways and have non-beneficial patterns and certain patterns that got them to a place of success that they're at, that ultimately might be crippling to get to the next level of where they wanna go next.

Speaker 4: 47:33

For sure, right. And there's traditionally been so much talk about suppressing the ego. It's funny, the people who talk the most about not having ego. Well, I'm not gonna say what I was about to say. I'll save that.

Speaker 2: 47:52

But so here's what I did when I went through my awakening and channeling and accessing the Akashic record and getting to no thoughts per second is. I started just observing reality and essentially removed the idea of an ego within me, and what happened was I could not exist in this reality without an ego, so people would be projecting and defining what my ego was whether or not, I was conscious and creating it, I was receiving it, and a lot of unconscious people myself before that.

Speaker 2: 48:30

that is who I am. I'm defined by others, I'm defined by society. I'm defined by parents programming things of that nature. The illusion of the media that you're so fully aware of and so here I was consciously aware now of what was happening was I was being imprinted with a particular ego, and so the work that we do, then, that so many others do, is to consciously create an ego and to work with the idea of an ego to operate in a different way in this reality.

Speaker 4: 49:03

I hear that I hear that I yeah, that's awesome. I think that's like the conversation right now. I hope yeah, because for the last 20 or so years it seems like spiritual conversations have been about you know, the ego is not your amigo, but I never heard anyone say that before.

Speaker 1: 49:25

I like it, it seems really obvious but really clever, yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 4: 49:30

But if the ego is a.

Speaker 1: 49:31

You come up with that. I like it.

Speaker 4: 49:33

No, no, I didn't. That was over the desk of a gentleman who was a program director at one of the first rehabs I worked at. Oh, got you. So the ego is survival, right, it's how you survive, right, If a bear's coming out of the woods to maul you, you have to say, oh, hell, no, it's like I have a right to survive, so it has a purpose, right. And then it's like we have the ability to commit, we have the ability to make plans, we have the ability to be disciplined, which is like the remedy against that, because it's not that temporal thing of, oh, there's a bear coming out of the woods, or oh, I need food for today.

Speaker 4: 50:09

It's like what do I want the world to look like in 50 years? Right, so it's not like your ego isn't there, it's just that you're changing the time scale and so you see people right now pushing their ego into saving the planet. Right, it's like people get very egoic in that. But it's like, as you all are talking, I'm thinking like maybe that's where the ego belongs right now is like, can we like what is the ego of mother nature? It is, I mean, I don't know that the earth is at risk right now it seems like there's a lot of evidence that it is and a lot of people saying it is. From my finite perspective, I can't necessarily say for sure that it's at risk, but if it is, then does the earth? Do we need to project our ego onto the earth?

Speaker 2: 50:53

And so, coleman, absolutely, as you're talking about this, where I'm at right now, which you just inspired, is that we think in stories, right, our and this is gonna talk about language, our English language has subjects, or subject verb, object, I think right, and the I, the physical body, your soul's experience, has to have a subject to it, and therefore it's part of the ecosystem of observing the human experience, and so it needs to have some definition of itself in order to engage in this reality.

Speaker 2: 51:31

So the ego is the thing that is part of the stories that you're telling yourself and that the part of you that engages in other stories Without that, then the story of who you are or what you're doing, or the money in your bank account, or the relationship you have. You need some form of that subject to interact with.

Speaker 4: 51:55

But what is something outside of relationship? You can't know everything without knowing what it is related to something.

Speaker 2: 52:02

Exactly, and so you have to have that concept at least based on the English language, and that's where I'm going is. I know, victoria, you're very gifted in Russian as well, and I wanna explore real quickly linguistics, because I know, coleman, you've really studied a lot of Hebrew and linguistics and just how language structures are, our own interpretation of reality.

Speaker 4: 52:29

Yeah, it's a big thing. Yeah, I'll dive into that real quick. I just want to say that the conversation about addiction also connected to the conversation about cancer, and it's interesting because these are huge issues.

Speaker 4: 52:48

But a cell, when it doesn't know its place in relationship to the rest of the body, starts looking for cheaper energy sources. Instead of getting that body energy, it starts to consume sugar, cheaper sources at a higher rate, and starts reproducing really quickly out of fear and doesn't want to die, right, because it's a f***ing death. So, linguistics, there's a lot of different ways I can crack that egg. So there's this idea that on the surface of a black hole, a black hole has a ton of information inside of it, basically everything that a black hole consumes. That information is inside of the black hole. There's this idea that information is lost slowly over time by hawking radiation. But generally speaking, a black hole has a ton of information inside of it.

Speaker 4: 53:43

Okay, there's an idea that in physics. There's an idea in physics that on the boundary of the black hole, just the surface alone, all of the information from within the black hole can be encoded. So that idea is basically that you can take information from a higher dimension and encode it onto a lower dimension. Right, if you're playing a video game, right, all that information about the space of the game, the storyline, the time, the colors, all of it. Right, you could have VR on and be immersed in this 3D temporal experience. All of that information can be encoded in a lower dimension, which we call a computer program.

Speaker 4: 54:26

You can look at a computer program like a wall of text, but programmers know that those line breaks don't have to be there. That's just to help you read it. A program is really one long sentence. Okay, so that's basically taking something that's two dimensional and bringing it to one dimensional. You could take each one of those characters and turn it into just an amplitude right, and then you could take that amplitude and instead of making it a line, you could make it static and just changing over time color and amplitude, and you could have all of the information from a video game inside this one blinking light, where amplitude is one dimension, frequencies another dimension. So basically there's this rule of nature.

Speaker 2: 55:09

Hold on, can we take a breath? You just basically explaining the matrix and how reality works. Okay, I think I got it, victoria, you good.

Speaker 1: 55:19

I'm like Coleman. Do you see this happening, like you mentioned earlier, observing nature and how Leonardo da Vinci observed nature. Is this something that you see as well in day to day reality?

Speaker 4: 55:33

It depends. It depends on what kind of state of mind I'm in.

Speaker 2: 55:36

So the answer is yes. Sometimes yeah, okay, wow.

Speaker 1: 55:40

So Coleman's mind is fascinating and I want to see reality through his lens. Is what I'm thinking.

Speaker 4: 55:46

I love that. Thank you, same to you. The point that I'm making, though, is that it's dimensional compression right. Information from higher dimensions can be encoded into lower dimensions.

Speaker 1: 55:56

Yeah, and what you were saying earlier about.

Speaker 1: 55:59

I don't know if you're done yet, but I wanted to chime in about how we were talking about that sixth chakra, the asana. That's like the pineal gland and it's the transducer or the interpreter of information that goes from the higher dimensions into this dimension. And when we download the software upgrades that you were talking about, clifton, and I refer to them as quantum packets, like it's a piece of information encoded into a little like thought bubble packet we can't see, we pick it up by our transducer, the pineal gland, and then interpret the information in whatever extra sensory intuitive gift that is the highest functioning for us.

Speaker 1: 56:39

So, like Claire audience, hearing the information, claire cognizance, which is knowingness of what that information is Claire voyance, seeing something, claire sentience, feeling it somewhere in your body. So interpreting and interacting with those higher dimensions is happening all the time.

Speaker 4: 56:59

I love that and, for the sake of this illustration, the term dimension is even more basic, right? It's like if you look at a painting where someone has depth, has placed depth into the painting, that's three dimensional information being encoded onto a two dimensional surface, right? So we experience this a lot.

Speaker 2: 57:20

So Victoria's explanation, based on what you're sharing, coleman it sounds to me like a five dimensional piece of information being interpreted into. I don't know. How many dimensions is this reality, coleman? Three, four, what?

Speaker 4: 57:34

Maybe seven, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 57:35

Maybe seven, okay, but into a dimension that could be understood at the very least, right. So that's how we're able to enter into the quantum, enter into higher dimensions, and so there's dimensional compression, right, that languages.

Speaker 4: 57:52

So, because there's dimensional compression right, I don't have the same experience as y'all, you have different gifting than I do and because I think that nature is very loopy, there's a chance that higher dimensions could lead back to what? Well, there's this idea of the nth dimension like the ultimate dimension, like infinite. Right, infinity is like the mirror image of nothingness, emptiness, zero, right, one zero, or like opposite extremes. But I think in terms of lower dimensions having authority more than I think in terms of higher dimensions having authority. When people think of going to higher dimensions, it's almost like getting more power, like in this analogy, lower dimensions would be closer to oneness. And because a seed like, think about a tree, right, a tree is a three-dimensional thing that takes place over time and all of that information is encoded into a seed which is not changing over time. It's static DNA, right, it's like DNA is expressed in space and time, but it is, for all intents and purposes, a very low-dimensional thing. So, language, the question came from language. Language is lower dimension than 3D reality, because language can be expressed on a two-dimensional plane and language on a two-dimensional plane expresses itself into three-dimensional reality.

Speaker 4: 59:35

Right, our civilization is built on our literature, on our spiritual texts okay and human. There is human language, but there's also natural language, and nature encodes language in various ways. I think that certain human languages are more natural. I think other human languages are more abstract. I think English is an abstract language. I think it's very human. It has to do with human technology and human society, and I think that's fine. I think that there's languages that are more like the language of trees. I'm not Jewish by blood, but for some reason I have this deep intuition that Hebrew is.

Speaker 4: 1:00:28

A natural language, one of the languages that's closer to the language that nature itself speaks. The way that DNA is encoded, or Right. I have a way that I think that everything was encoded into the Big Bang. I have a theory about how everything was encoded into the Big Bang. What language was that written in?

Speaker 1: 1:00:51

Are these videos on your YouTube channel the concepts that you're describing right now, coleman?

Speaker 4: 1:00:56

Yes, to some degree. Whereas those videos are very religious, they take a very religious angle. I don't think they have to. What we're talking about is more. You could make a scientific case for everything I'm saying. I just so happen to be very religious minded, so that's my outlet for talking about these things through a religious lens.

Speaker 2: 1:01:21

As you mentioned, infinity oneness and the lower levels. It reminds of the toroidal field.

Speaker 2: 1:01:27

You got a visual of the toroidal field of the energy of an individual, of an apple of earth going up and then starting over at the base. Then you said the baser levels are closer to oneness. I go to the model of business and real estate is one of the best businesses to get into for sustainable, scalable income. That's because it's real estate. It's finite. Then, finally, you mentioned as well the pulsing or flickering of light could encode information.

Speaker 2: 1:02:00

There's certain healing modalities and technologies out there that use flickering lasers or flickering information that's encoded to do things such as heal individuals, organs, scar tissue, activate higher levels of consciousness, create and stimulate stem cells and things of that nature. This is an area of futuristic technology that I feel like you're on that path. You're on that journey. You've created some videos that we're excited to share and we'll share in the description where they can find that. How are you taking all of this information and this certainly multi-subjects, renaissance scholar-esque approach to reality? What is your current expression of that right now? What are you working on that really lights you up? That is related to all of this.

Speaker 4: 1:03:00

Because I have a ton of experience in the music industry. I would like to find a way to create music that is in alignment with natural language, some kind of software update. I like sound healing, I like soundbaths and stuff. I think I've gotten a lot out of those. But I'm talking about something a little different. I don't actually know what it is yet, I don't know what it sounds like, but music that doesn't pander to emotion, but actually gives you something feeding you, like drinking water or sitting in the sun. Maybe there is something with yeah, okay, so that's one thing. Yeah, what is my messaging? What are the words I'm saying? So music is a big thing.

Speaker 2: 1:03:42

Are you looking for collaborators in that space, or how can our readers support you in this journey?

Speaker 4: 1:03:49

Yeah, if you are in any kind of sonic realm podcasting, guided meditation just have something you want to say poetry, spoken word, or a musician, an instrumentalist I want to put a lot of various elements on this album, different sounds that you wouldn't necessarily expect on an album, so you could reach out in that capacity. I love collaborating so real quickly. I'll dive into the tech side, dive into the shallow end of it. I have a lot of evidence that natural language, like all of this programming that we were talking about, like how a tree has a seed, like where's the seed of the universe right? Like where's the two dimensional code for, like reality, I have a lot of evidence that it's encoded into the number pi, which is perfect because that is related to the circle right. So if everything's cyclical, then where else would this information be encoded?

Speaker 4: 1:04:51

And this really elaborate system of decoding pi through the Hebrew language, and if there's not a futuristic technology associated with it, it's at least very entertaining and I think it's very fun and adventurous, and I think that there is some industry in the future that has to do with taking the digits of pi, converting them into computer language and having VR experiential experiences with this other dimension. What's interesting is, I found things that I think are like cures and solutions to big problems in this number as well, so the entertainment angle is just one thing. It's almost like another frontier. It's like discovering a planet or something that's massive. This project, using AI and simulations in general to plant this pi seed until a digital substrate and see what grows out of it, is something I've spent years working on and I'm just like at the edge of what I can do on my own, and so that's another place where I'm opening up the invitation for collaboration, insight and endorsement of any kind.

Speaker 1: 1:06:09

Amazing, and how can people reach out to you? What's the best way to contact you about either project, the music collaborations or the pi AI healing technologies project?

Speaker 4: 1:06:21

My personal email is the best way, and that is Coleman Trap at gmailcom.

Speaker 1: 1:06:29

And where is that incredible information that you shared, with your perspectives about pi and reality?

Speaker 4: 1:06:37

I have just the tip of the iceberg on this YouTube channel. It's called Digital Archaeology. I think one of the earliest videos is called Hebrew as a programming language. The earlier videos have way higher production quality. I would spend like 150 hours on the earlier videos and then later on I would just jump on my iPad and make a video in 10 minutes, so you get a huge spectrum of production quality. But yeah, it's on. That Digital Archaeology YouTube channel is where a very small amount of this information is.

Speaker 1: 1:07:11

Amazing. While I look forward to seeing more videos and content about your perspectives on reality, coleman and Clifton and I have watched some of those early videos that you're talking about and I'm like, oh my God, there's so much in here, there's a lot and so much upgrades installed in the process of watching them that you may not even understand how to verbalize or repeat what I just heard. But I know on a cellular level something was upgrading when I was watching those, so that was really cool. I really appreciated watching them.

Speaker 4: 1:07:46

So inspiring, thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:07:48

Yeah and same for the listeners. Hopefully this resonated with you, either consciously, or it's planting seeds within you. We covered so much about reality with Coleman and it's been such a pleasure to sit with you and share with the listeners your reality, your projects, what you're working on and I know myself in this conversation was enriched and had a few of those synaptic connections connected. So I really appreciate you being on the show. And once again, he can be reached at Coleman Trap and that's two P's at ColemanTrap at gmailcom.

Speaker 1: 1:08:28

Awesome. Thank you all for tuning in and listening today, and we'll talk to you next time.